Randy Lerner

[rob_bridge]

I wonder if, in his ten years of shit appointments, it has ever occurred to Randy to appoint someone who has previously had a job running a football club.

When it came to hiring managers he insisted they needed Premiership experience, until Garde that is.

Hiring appropriate people has been his single biggest failure and a consistent one at that.

As an old boss of mine said to me - 1st Class people hire 1st Class people. 2nd Class People hire 3rd Rate people.

[saunders_heroes]

What manager worth his salt would take on Aston Villa with our lousy wage/transfer budget?
This is the reason we've been scraping the bottom of the barrel for the last 6 seasons.

[rob_bridge]

What manager worth his salt would take on Aston Villa with our lousy wage/transfer budget?
This is the reason we've been scraping the bottom of the barrel for the last 6 seasons.

Our spend throughout that period has been superior to many many teams in this division. The money is an issue in how it was spent and the recruitment policy degrading from inconsistent to rubbish. That dates back to Heskey in early 2009. Notably Saints have had changes in management and lost their better players and still managed to improve.

If you have waited until relatively recently to make your point re spend you would have had a point. Alas your binary perspective and apparent pathological hatred of Lerner coupled with a total inability to be able to state how we could magical spend against FFP rules renders your rants somewhat pitiful

[saunders_heroes]

What manager worth his salt would take on Aston Villa with our lousy wage/transfer budget?
This is the reason we've been scraping the bottom of the barrel for the last 6 seasons.

Our spend throughout that period has been superior to many many teams in this division. The money is an issue in how it was spent and the recruitment policy degrading from inconsistent to rubbish. That dates back to Heskey in early 2009. Notably Saints have had changes in management and lost their better players and still managed to improve.

If you have waited until relatively recently to make your point re spend you would have had a point. Alas your binary perspective and apparent pathological hatred of Lerner coupled with a total inability to be able to state how we could magical spend against FFP rules renders your rants somewhat pitiful

At the end of every season the remit seems to be to reduce the wage yet again despite the club getting closer to relegation with every season that passes. If you don't think that's a problem then who am I to argue?
And fuck Lerner, you're right, I hate the prick.

[rob_bridge]

What manager worth his salt would take on Aston Villa with our lousy wage/transfer budget?
This is the reason we've been scraping the bottom of the barrel for the last 6 seasons.

Our spend throughout that period has been superior to many many teams in this division. The money is an issue in how it was spent and the recruitment policy degrading from inconsistent to rubbish. That dates back to Heskey in early 2009. Notably Saints have had changes in management and lost their better players and still managed to improve.

If you have waited until relatively recently to make your point re spend you would have had a point. Alas your binary perspective and apparent pathological hatred of Lerner coupled with a total inability to be able to state how we could magical spend against FFP rules renders your rants somewhat pitiful

At the end of every season the remit seems to be to reduce the wage yet again despite the club getting closer to relegation with every season that passes. If you don't think that's a problem then who am I to argue?
And fuck Lerner, you're right, I hate the prick.

I'd seek some counselling then if I were you. You hatred is borderline OCD.

[saunders_heroes]

What manager worth his salt would take on Aston Villa with our lousy wage/transfer budget?
This is the reason we've been scraping the bottom of the barrel for the last 6 seasons.

Our spend throughout that period has been superior to many many teams in this division. The money is an issue in how it was spent and the recruitment policy degrading from inconsistent to rubbish. That dates back to Heskey in early 2009. Notably Saints have had changes in management and lost their better players and still managed to improve.

If you have waited until relatively recently to make your point re spend you would have had a point. Alas your binary perspective and apparent pathological hatred of Lerner coupled with a total inability to be able to state how we could magical spend against FFP rules renders your rants somewhat pitiful

At the end of every season the remit seems to be to reduce the wage yet again despite the club getting closer to relegation with every season that passes. If you don't think that's a problem then who am I to argue?
And fuck Lerner, you're right, I hate the prick.

I'd seek some counselling then if I were you. You hatred is borderline OCD.

Yawn.

[rob_bridge]

What manager worth his salt would take on Aston Villa with our lousy wage/transfer budget?
This is the reason we've been scraping the bottom of the barrel for the last 6 seasons.

Our spend throughout that period has been superior to many many teams in this division. The money is an issue in how it was spent and the recruitment policy degrading from inconsistent to rubbish. That dates back to Heskey in early 2009. Notably Saints have had changes in management and lost their better players and still managed to improve.

If you have waited until relatively recently to make your point re spend you would have had a point. Alas your binary perspective and apparent pathological hatred of Lerner coupled with a total inability to be able to state how we could magical spend against FFP rules renders your rants somewhat pitiful

At the end of every season the remit seems to be to reduce the wage yet again despite the club getting closer to relegation with every season that passes. If you don't think that's a problem then who am I to argue?
And fuck Lerner, you're right, I hate the prick.

I'd seek some counselling then if I were you. You hatred is borderline OCD.

Yawn.

Unsurprisingly you even bore yourself.

[saunders_heroes]

I find your defence of Lerner even more boring. Go and bore somebody else.

[rob_bridge]

I find your defence of Lerner even more boring. Go and bore somebody else.

I'll leave that to you. Can't beat the Expert Grandmaster at his own game. Ever. I dare say there are a few others on here who may be in support of my position if your previous exchanges, of which I have been privy to a subset, are anything to go by.

[saunders_heroes]

I find your defence of Lerner even more boring. Go and bore somebody else.

I'll leave that to you. Can't beat the Expert Grandmaster at his own game. Ever. I dare say there are a few others on here who may be in support of my position if your previous exchanges, of which I have been privy to a subset, are anything to go by.

Yes, goodbye.

[rob_bridge]

I find your defence of Lerner even more boring. Go and bore somebody else.

I'll leave that to you. Can't beat the Expert Grandmaster at his own game. Ever. I dare say there are a few others on here who may be in support of my position if your previous exchanges, of which I have been privy to a subset, are anything to go by.

Yes, goodbye.

Ha ha. I haven't heard since someone said it in the pub when I worked in when I was 16. Thankfully some of us move on.

Hope you find the inner strength to do so one day.

[pauliewalnuts]

Oh god, will you both stop it, please!

[rob_bridge]

Oh god, will you both stop it, please!

Yep

[Billy Walker]

Sorry, did you say our "transfer committee" has done well?

I said our transfer dealings during Randy's tenure has been one of the few areas I think we've performed better than the norm.  Ireland is thankfully a notable exception but as others have said, at the time he wasn't the well known basket case he is now.

I'm not sure about that. Under Lerner there's been quite a list of players bought that didn't need to be. O'Neil bought a lot of players but generally picked the same team. Then there's Lambert's young and hungry lot, and all 13 of last summers signings. A lot of these players we didn't make any money on at all.

Compare it to other clubs though.  Every clubs has hits and misses in transfer dealings.  Generally however our hits have been where we've spent decent money and our misses have been where we haven't spent very much.  Ultimately the latter comes down to the old adage of you get what you pay for.  I don't recall many expensive flops during Lerner's time (Ireland, NZog and Beye spring to mind but not many more) whereas Bent, Milner, Young, Downing, Benteke have all either saved us from relegation and/or produced tidy profits.

The bottom line is our transfer policy has us sitting twentieth in the table.  It's clearly been badly thought-out and haphazard from the very start.

[Ad@m]

Sorry, did you say our "transfer committee" has done well?

I said our transfer dealings during Randy's tenure has been one of the few areas I think we've performed better than the norm.  Ireland is thankfully a notable exception but as others have said, at the time he wasn't the well known basket case he is now.

I'm not sure about that. Under Lerner there's been quite a list of players bought that didn't need to be. O'Neil bought a lot of players but generally picked the same team. Then there's Lambert's young and hungry lot, and all 13 of last summers signings. A lot of these players we didn't make any money on at all.

Compare it to other clubs though.  Every clubs has hits and misses in transfer dealings.  Generally however our hits have been where we've spent decent money and our misses have been where we haven't spent very much.  Ultimately the latter comes down to the old adage of you get what you pay for.  I don't recall many expensive flops during Lerner's time (Ireland, NZog and Beye spring to mind but not many more) whereas Bent, Milner, Young, Downing, Benteke have all either saved us from relegation and/or produced tidy profits.

The bottom line is our transfer policy has us sitting twentieth in the table.  It's clearly been badly thought-out and haphazard from the very start.

Policy yes - actively focusing on paying relatively small amounts of money on lots of lower league players has got us to where we are.  Even more annoying when the times we've spent reasonable money we've generally bought well.