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Offline brian green

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2865 on: February 22, 2016, 08:12:22 AM »
I am a big fan of Traore and the big difference with him, regardless of the alleged inflated wages is that, unlike large chunks of our squad he retains sell on value.

Offline robbo1874

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2866 on: February 22, 2016, 08:27:00 AM »
I was excited when we signed him and nice cameo at Bournemouth, but what's he delivered since? Genuine qn, as Ive hardly watched us since Christmas.

Offline Chris Harte

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2867 on: February 22, 2016, 08:30:23 AM »
I was excited when we signed him and nice cameo at Bournemouth, but what's he delivered since? Genuine qn, as Ive hardly watched us since Christmas.
Not alot, in truth. The run and cross for Gil's goal at Sunderland? Although he is currently crocked, isn't he?

Offline Steve67

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2868 on: February 22, 2016, 08:39:45 AM »
I wonder if the consultants are PriceWaterhouse or some such type company, there to work out what the exact costs will be for each and every part of the club once relegation is, er, achieved. Players contracts, parachute payments, toilet rolls etc. Rather than a 'what went wrong, how did we end up here?' type whodunnit. We already know the answer to that question. 

Offline LeeB

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2869 on: February 22, 2016, 09:49:41 AM »
I am a big fan of Traore and the big difference with him, regardless of the alleged inflated wages is that, unlike large chunks of our squad he retains sell on value.

I like him too Brian, but given our needs his purchase was a mistake.

Offline CJ

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2870 on: February 22, 2016, 09:51:42 AM »
I was excited when we signed him and nice cameo at Bournemouth, but what's he delivered since? Genuine qn, as Ive hardly watched us since Christmas.
Not alot, in truth. The run and cross for Gil's goal at Sunderland? Although he is currently crocked, isn't he?

Came off injured at that game against Sunderland at the beginning of January and has been out since then with a broken bone in his foot. Due back early next month

Offline joe_c

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2871 on: February 22, 2016, 12:07:42 PM »
Do we really, honestly need consultants?
I have some great consultant quotes.
"Consultants are the people that come on to the battlefield when the fighting is over to shoot the wounded"



Something for us all to look forward to.

Offline LeeB

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2872 on: February 22, 2016, 12:18:21 PM »
My three major recommendations:

1)Buy lots of better footballers. This will involve capital investment but has a positive effect on the actual football side of the business. I believe in turn this will lead to better results, which research has shown can lead to increased income.

2)Employ senior, board room level types that have actually performed the role you require elsewhere.

3)Keep the manager.


Where do I send the invoice?

Offline ChicagoLion

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2873 on: February 22, 2016, 12:53:04 PM »
Do we really, honestly need consultants?
I have some great consultant quotes.
"Consultants are the people that come on to the battlefield when the fighting is over to shoot the wounded"



Something for us all to look forward to.
Where I come from, if you see a snake you shoot it, at General Motors they would hire a consultant on snakes. Ross Perot I think

Offline DaveD

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2874 on: February 22, 2016, 01:55:18 PM »
Consultants are the people who come in, ask you what you do, tell you you're doing it wrong and that what you need to do is hire more consultants.

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2875 on: February 22, 2016, 02:00:17 PM »
My three major recommendations:

1)Buy lots of better footballers. This will involve capital investment but has a positive effect on the actual football side of the business. I believe in turn this will lead to better results, which research has shown can lead to increased income.

2)Employ senior, board room level types that have actually performed the role you require elsewhere.

3)Keep the manager.


Where do I send the invoice?

As a general point, their are 2 problems with No 2.

1 is that no new blood ever gets into the system, if you only employ people who've already proven they can do it.
2 If you only ever employ people who've proven that they can do it, you end up with people who are past their sell by date. The 2 obvious examples for me are managers rather than boardroom / executive types.  SGT should never have come back for round 2 and Nottingham Forrest would have been well served by pensioning Brian Clough off 2 years earlier.

In our instance, yes people who can just come in and get going from day 1 are vital.

Offline LeeB

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2876 on: February 22, 2016, 02:13:24 PM »
My three major recommendations:

1)Buy lots of better footballers. This will involve capital investment but has a positive effect on the actual football side of the business. I believe in turn this will lead to better results, which research has shown can lead to increased income.

2)Employ senior, board room level types that have actually performed the role you require elsewhere.

3)Keep the manager.


Where do I send the invoice?

As a general point, their are 2 problems with No 2.

1 is that no new blood ever gets into the system, if you only employ people who've already proven they can do it.
2 If you only ever employ people who've proven that they can do it, you end up with people who are past their sell by date. The 2 obvious examples for me are managers rather than boardroom / executive types.  SGT should never have come back for round 2 and Nottingham Forrest would have been well served by pensioning Brian Clough off 2 years earlier.

In our instance, yes people who can just come in and get going from day 1 are vital.

I absolutely appreciate that, those solutions are specific to our current plight.

Or what else are you paying me for? It's not just consultancy by numbers you know.

*huffs, turns back, pretends to study important paperwork*

Offline Chico Hamilton III

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2877 on: February 22, 2016, 02:16:03 PM »
Consultants are the people who come in, ask you what you do, tell you you're doing it wrong and that what you need to do is hire more consultants.

They come into your workplace, ask if they can borrow your clock and then tell you the time.

Offline aj2k77

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2878 on: February 22, 2016, 02:25:28 PM »
They also had Rhodes who scored 21 so Blackburn weren't set up for just one man.

Obviously he needs crosses to be really effective but as you said we have Amavi who can can put in cracking crosses and they can hardly have foreseen he'd be out for so much of the season, plus i'd imagine they'd have expected/hoped for more appearances from Adama. As well as more from Jack and Gil. The potential supply line is there, but a combination of injuries and lack of form have stuffed that.

They were sit up to get the ball forward and in the box asap. We've been set up to have some diddy men looking to play the ball around at a slower pace. The Gestede signing hasn't and never will work with the current set up we have. The potential supply line is in our heads, not on the pitch.

Offline McGraths Dry Cleaning

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2879 on: February 22, 2016, 02:28:42 PM »
Whilst a lot of consultancy appears to be money for old rope isn't the main purpose to distance the management from the responsibility of deciding who to sack and make it easier to work with everyone afterwards? I've worked half my life as a freelance consultant of sorts (marketing/PR) and in a couple of my jobs I've managed department restructures that were unpopular but it suited the management to get someone independent to do the dirty work. OK very small scale but idea is the same.




 


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