Randy Lerner

[Richard E]

How does anyone find out how much the players are earning?

Ask them on Twitter or Instagram.

[Legion]

Don't bother with MySpace, though.

[Malandro]

How does anyone find out how much the players are earning?

Ask them on Twitter or Instagram.

You may even get a dinner date from N'zogbia. (May have to apply a little rouge)

[ciggiesnbeer]

Re Hollis, the only thing he can have influenced positively or negatively was the transfer window. I don't think anyone envisaged it being the shitstorm it was, but he definitely should have taken the chance with the extra couple of million on the 2 deals it looked like Garde had set up.

But as I said, just by the natural if the role it will be at least 12 months before we get a proper idea.
I honestly can't believe that there's a person alive that thinks Lerner's hand on the tiller is a better option than anyone other than Mr. Bean.

As chairman Hollis can run the club exactly how he sees fit. If he thinks the right thing is to borrow over and above our incomings he can go to a bank or he can ask Lerner.

His only duty is to deliver maximum value for the shareholder(s). In this case Lerner needs the club as a  saleable asset.

A PL club with finances in order.

Fair points. Hopefully your final line is indeed his duty. I have this horrible feeling his brief actually is "Just get this club into the black, I dont care what league it is playing in, I am tired of the losses."

[Witton Warrior]

, I am tired of the losses."

Not as tired as we are of losing

[Sexual Ealing]

The squad has been stripped of any players of value/quality. I'm not saying Lerner has personally pocketed the cash, but the money has gone somewhere, haven't we used player sales to offset losses? Cosmetic surgery for the accounts?
 We are where we are due to lack of investment,a failure to pay the going rate on wages and transfers. Player sales have been used as a sticking plaster for our financial woes. Treating what the idiot has sown.

We would all agree that the calibre of the squad has been diminished as outgoing players have not been replaced with similar or better players.

Player sales and offloading high earners have been used to reduce losses. That isn’t  cosmetic surgery, that is basic housekeeping.

The problem has not been a failure to pay high wages, it has been a failure to get value out of what we have spent. That is down to Lerner, the CEO, and the football management team.

Exactly.

The other constant refrain has also been "we don't pay Premier League wages." Well look at where we've been in the wages tables in relation to teams like Southampton and Stoke over the last 4-5 years and say it again with a straight face.

The problem there is that those figures have been skewed by the exorbitant wages Bent, Given, N'Zogbia and Gabby have been on while not playing, which, had we not had them, could have paid for a couple of Shane Longs or Bojans rather than the Westwoods and Kozaks that we've had to make do with.

I can't believe I just pluralised the names of footballers and still think that it was the right thing to do. Lord have mercy on my terrible soul.

[b23]

Lerner out T-Shirts anyone ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ASTON-VILLA-PROUD-HISTORY-NO-FUTURE-LERNER-OUT-PROTEST-T-SHIRT-MEN-WOMEN-

Similar stickers are also available. I've seen the stickers on London tube trains, various vehicles and lamp posts too.

Hurry up Mr Lerner, sell the Club.

[Locko]

The squad has been stripped of any players of value/quality. I'm not saying Lerner has personally pocketed the cash, but the money has gone somewhere, haven't we used player sales to offset losses? Cosmetic surgery for the accounts?
 We are where we are due to lack of investment,a failure to pay the going rate on wages and transfers. Player sales have been used as a sticking plaster for our financial woes. Reaping what the idiot has sown.

We would all agree that the calibre of the squad has been diminished as outgoing players have not been replaced with similar or better players.

Player sales and offloading high earners have been used to reduce losses. That isn’t  cosmetic surgery, that is basic housekeeping.

The problem has not been a failure to pay high wages, it has been a failure to get value out of what we have spent. That is down to Lerner, the CEO, and the football management team.

Exactly.

The other constant refrain has also been "we don't pay Premier League wages." Well look at where we've been in the wages tables in relation to teams like Southampton and Stoke over the last 4-5 years and say it again with a straight face.

The problem there is that those figures have been skewed by the exorbitant wages Bent, Given, N'Zogbia and Gabby have been on while not playing, which, had we not had them, could have paid for a couple of Shane Longs or Bojans rather than the Westwoods and Kozaks that we've had to make do with.

I can't believe I just pluralised the names of footballers and still think that it was the right thing to do. Lord have mercy on my terrible soul.

There we have it, we've been hemorrhaging cash on the likes of gabby and Zog and filling areas where there is a  pressing need for quality over and above what we have with shite like Westwood and Bacuna. In essence spending good money on  redecoration while the roof is fucked and the rain is pissing in... We're kissing goodbye to £70m next season because we wouldn't stretch the budget for better players. Madness utter, madness...

[Villa in Denmark]

I'd be interesting to see a wages to games played, goals scored, chances created etc comparison. We play Premier League wages to some, but barely any of them contribute.

We've consistently paid a level over what we've received.

MON - paying bit part players and journeymen wages you'd expect their CL counterparts to be receiving for top 6 finishes

Houllier / McLeish - top 6 wages for mid-table / bottom 6 finishes.

Lambert - mid-table wages for bottom 6 finishes.


Sherwood/Garde we're still paying something like 13 or 14th in the wages league to finish dead bottom.

All indicative of God awful purchasing/contracts/coaching.

It really is impressive that over 9 years we've consistently overpaid for what we've achieved and every time we've turned the wages down we've managed to drop a level of performance instead of bringing the performance in line with the wages.

If Lerner really did want to just blow £250M on the Villa, he'd have been better off throwing a couple of hundred thousand to everyone who could prove more than 2 year solid attendance in the previous 40 years.  He'd have left with the same hole in the bank account.

My only consolation in all this is that Ray Ranson was apparently 2nd in the queue. For anyone who thinks "anyone could have done a better job than Lerner," look up some of his "achievements" in running and financing football clubs.

[Richard E]

I'd be interesting to see a wages to games played, goals scored, chances created etc comparison. We play Premier League wages to some, but barely any of them contribute.

We've consistently paid a level over what we've received.

MON - paying bit part players and journeymen wages you'd expect their CL counterparts to be receiving for top 6 finishes

Houllier / McLeish - top 6 wages for mid-table / bottom 6 finishes.

Lambert - mid-table wages for bottom 6 finishes.


Sherwood/Garde we're still paying something like 13 or 14th in the wages league to finish dead bottom.

All indicative of God awful purchasing/contracts/coaching.

It really is impressive that over 9 years we've consistently overpaid for what we've achieved and every time we've turned the wages down we've managed to drop a level of performance instead of bringing the performance in line with the wages.

If Lerner really did want to just blow £250M on the Villa, he'd have been better off throwing a couple of hundred thousand to everyone who could prove more than 2 year solid attendance in the previous 40 years.  He'd have left with the same hole in the bank account.

My only consolation in all this is that Ray Ranson was apparently 2nd in the queue. For anyone who thinks "anyone could have done a better job than Lerner," look up some of his "achievements" in running and financing football clubs.

If you are reading this Mr Lerner and are attracted to the suggestion in the penultimate paragraph it is never too late and I can PM you my bank details for my share.

[garyfouroaks]

We're kissing goodbye to £70m next season because we wouldn't stretch the budget for better players. Madness utter, madness...

But we did stretch the budget- we blew £50m in the summer.

I repeat the problem is not that we have not spent- it is that we have not spent wisely, because we do not have the people who know how to spend wisely.

[Villa in Denmark]

We're kissing goodbye to £70m next season because we wouldn't stretch the budget for better players. Madness utter, madness...

But we did stretch the budget- we blew £50m in the summer.

I repeat the problem is not that we have not spent- it is that we have not spent wisely, because we do not have the people who know how to spend wisely.

That's not my quote.

[cdward]

Another contributory factor is we never maximised earnings potential from commercial deals at the right time. This led to us having wages accounting for something like 70% of income. It wasn't that we were paying over the odds we were probably paying the going rate in wages compared to say a Spurs or Everton, but looking back we didn't have the extra income from commercial streams that other clubs did. Fox and Hollis have both said as much, pointing the finger at Faulkner.
When you think back at some, or lack of deals we were definitely lightweight in that department. Nike making us wait until November for new shirts, the Acorns deal while great PR was not bringing in any money, its crazy to think of a PL club without a shirt sponsor.
Its obvious we have been left behind commercially by a lot of PL clubs, and ironically for Randy just when the money will be rolling in for being in the PL , we will be left behind again.

[Locko]

We're kissing goodbye to £70m next season because we wouldn't stretch the budget for better players. Madness utter, madness...

But we did stretch the budget- we blew £50m in the summer.

I repeat the problem is not that we have not spent- it is that we have not spent wisely, because we do not have the people who know how to spend wisely.

If you factor in income from player sales, we spent very little. In terms of wages I'd venture the French lads aren't earning a great deal in premier league terms, so we lost Given,Benteke and Delph from the wage bill, total spend on wages may possibly have decreased. All with a massive new tv deal around the corner, we were playing Russian roulette with four rounds in the barrel. Lerner isn't just stupid he's been almost criminally negligent.

[passport1]

If you factor in income from player sales, we spent very little. In terms of wages I'd venture the French lads aren't earning a great deal in premier league terms, so we lost Given,Benteke and Delph from the wage bill, net spend on wages may possibly have decreased. All with a massive new tv deal around the corner, we're paying Russian roulette with four rounds in the barrel. Lerner isn't just stupid he's been almost criminality negligent.

That was probably Lerners idiotic plan to boost the selling price of the club.Cut wages to the bone but with new TV deal money making the club a more valuable saleable asset.

"Penny wise pound foolish " as the old saying goes.