Randy Lerner

[garyfouroaks]

The squad has been stripped of any players of value/quality. I'm not saying Lerner has personally pocketed the cash, but the money has gone somewhere, haven't we used player sales to offset losses? Cosmetic surgery for the accounts?
 We are where we are due to lack of investment,a failure to pay the going rate on wages and transfers. Player sales have been used as a sticking plaster for our financial woes. Treating what the idiot has sown.

We would all agree that the calibre of the squad has been diminished as outgoing players have not been replaced with similar or better players.

Player sales and offloading high earners have been used to reduce losses. That isn’t  cosmetic surgery, that is basic housekeeping.

The problem has not been a failure to pay high wages, it has been a failure to get value out of what we have spent. That is down to Lerner, the CEO, and the football management team.

[Villa in Denmark]

The squad has been stripped of any players of value/quality. I'm not saying Lerner has personally pocketed the cash, but the money has gone somewhere, haven't we used player sales to offset losses? Cosmetic surgery for the accounts?
 We are where we are due to lack of investment,a failure to pay the going rate on wages and transfers. Player sales have been used as a sticking plaster for our financial woes. Treating what the idiot has sown.

We would all agree that the calibre of the squad has been diminished as outgoing players have not been replaced with similar or better players.

Player sales and offloading high earners have been used to reduce losses. That isn’t  cosmetic surgery, that is basic housekeeping.

The problem has not been a failure to pay high wages, it has been a failure to get value out of what we have spent. That is down to Lerner, the CEO, and the football management team.

Exactly.

The other constant refrain has also been "we don't pay Premier League wages." Well look at where we've been in the wages tables in relation to teams like Southampton and Stoke over the last 4-5 years and say it again with a straight face.

We've been appallingly managed from the day Lerner walked through through the door, handed the keys to the safe to O'Neill and simultaneously made him a de facto one man board.

It took 4 years for Lerner, presumably nudged by Faulkner to realise he'd been stitched up like a kipper and a further 4 years of floundering to realise what was going on.  I retain a sneaky suspicion that Lerner fell once more for the managers side when it came to a CEO v Manager decision having previously backed MON over Fitzgerald, backed Lambert over Faulkner.

Having lost someone with 4 years hard won experience in Faulkner, he went for Fox, who actually appears to have an idea of how the club should be structured but has made a right pigs ear of implementing it.
(I'll hold my hands up and say I thought the early part of Fox's tenure was promising in terms of him identifying where the club was lacking to actually support a manager and survive a change of manager.  The principle is still right, the execution has proven not to be.)

The idea of him being totally removed from the running of the club is definitely the correct one, his involvement has been disastrous. I remains to be seen if Hollis as his chairman can actually do anything to improve our lot.  Such is the nature of that role, it will probably be 12-18 months before you can say if he's been a success.

[AV82EC]

The squad has been stripped of any players of value/quality. I'm not saying Lerner has personally pocketed the cash, but the money has gone somewhere, haven't we used player sales to offset losses? Cosmetic surgery for the accounts?
 We are where we are due to lack of investment,a failure to pay the going rate on wages and transfers. Player sales have been used as a sticking plaster for our financial woes. Treating what the idiot has sown.

We would all agree that the calibre of the squad has been diminished as outgoing players have not been replaced with similar or better players.

Player sales and offloading high earners have been used to reduce losses. That isn’t  cosmetic surgery, that is basic housekeeping.

The problem has not been a failure to pay high wages, it has been a failure to get value out of what we have spent. That is down to Lerner, the CEO, and the football management team.

Exactly.

The other constant refrain has also been "we don't pay Premier League wages." Well look at where we've been in the wages tables in relation to teams like Southampton and Stoke over the last 4-5 years and say it again with a straight face.

We've been appallingly managed from the day Lerner walked through through the door, handed the keys to the safe to O'Neill and simultaneously made him a de facto one man board.

It took 4 years for Lerner, presumably nudged by Faulkner to realise he'd been stitched up like a kipper and a further 4 years of floundering to realise what was going on.  I retain a sneaky suspicion that Lerner fell once more for the managers side when it came to a CEO v Manager decision having previously backed MON over Fitzgerald, backed Lambert over Faulkner.

Having lost someone with 4 years hard won experience in Faulkner, he went for Fox, who actually appears to have an idea of how the club should be structured but has made a right pigs ear of implementing it.
(I'll hold my hands up and say I thought the early part of Fox's tenure was promising in terms of him identifying where the club was lacking to actually support a manager and survive a change of manager.  The principle is still right, the execution has proven not to be.)

The idea of him being totally removed from the running of the club is definitely the correct one, his involvement has been disastrous. I remains to be seen if Hollis as his chairman can actually do anything to improve our lot.  Such is the nature of that role, it will probably be 12-18 months before you can say if he's been a success.

It's a shame that can't be burned into the brains, if they have them, of the media and punditocracy in this country. A clearer short summation of our plight isn't to be found, you are scholar and a gent ViD.

[Locko]

The squad has been stripped of any players of value/quality. I'm not saying Lerner has personally pocketed the cash, but the money has gone somewhere, haven't we used player sales to offset losses? Cosmetic surgery for the accounts?
 We are where we are due to lack of investment,a failure to pay the going rate on wages and transfers. Player sales have been used as a sticking plaster for our financial woes. Treating what the idiot has sown.

We would all agree that the calibre of the squad has been diminished as outgoing players have not been replaced with similar or better players.

Player sales and offloading high earners have been used to reduce losses. That isn’t  cosmetic surgery, that is basic housekeeping.

The problem has not been a failure to pay high wages, it has been a failure to get value out of what we have spent. That is down to Lerner, the CEO, and the football management team.

Exactly.

The other constant refrain has also been "we don't pay Premier League wages." Well look at where we've been in the wages tables in relation to teams like Southampton and Stoke over the last 4-5 years and say it again with a straight face.

We've been appallingly managed from the day Lerner walked through through the door, handed the keys to the safe to O'Neill and simultaneously made him a de facto one man board.

It took 4 years for Lerner, presumably nudged by Faulkner to realise he'd been stitched up like a kipper and a further 4 years of floundering to realise what was going on.  I retain a sneaky suspicion that Lerner fell once more for the managers side when it came to a CEO v Manager decision having previously backed MON over Fitzgerald, backed Lambert over Faulkner.

Having lost someone with 4 years hard won experience in Faulkner, he went for Fox, who actually appears to have an idea of how the club should be structured but has made a right pigs ear of implementing it.
(I'll hold my hands up and say I thought the early part of Fox's tenure was promising in terms of him identifying where the club was lacking to actually support a manager and survive a change of manager.  The principle is still right, the execution has proven not to be.)

The idea of him being totally removed from the running of the club is definitely the correct one, his involvement has been disastrous. I remains to be seen if Hollis as his chairman can actually do anything to improve our lot.  Such is the nature of that role, it will probably be 12-18 months before you can say if he's been , they're has been no further a success.

It's a shame that can't be burned into the brains, if they have them, of the media and punditocracy in this country. A clearer short summation of our plight isn't to be found, you are scholar and a gent ViD.

It's rank amateurism and I can look in only one direction. There has been no forethought applied to the running of the club at any point in a decade. From the initial reckless spending, to the knee-jerk cut backs to balance the books, it's all short termism.. We now find ourselves in a position where a change of ownership and a substantial injection of capital is required, the alternative is potentially years in the wilderness.

[oswald funkletrumpet]

Lerner~ ~  TOUGH GUY or WIMP ?

This is a serious question to me.

From MON confessing that he buttered him up with questions about his US team and admitted that Lerner realised he'd done an overnight 'homework' of Wiki-- he eventually walked and won his compo.
Weak Lerner ?

Houlier got out through illness --but eventually went back into football.
Hoodwinked Lerner ?

McLeish--Jesus--- couldn't praise him enough.
Scary Lerner ?

Lambert ---FFS 
Actually hinted/alluded that our leader "may" have been in another box, and "actually" attended matches incognito that the media didn't realise. He didn't say he did...just hinted at it.
Round about the time he started calling him "Randy" rather than "Mr Lerner"
Scary Lerner?

Tactics Tim - was in a separate reality.
Reverted between Randy and Mr Lerner -- one time I heard him refer to him as  the "OWNER"
WOW!... he was gone anyway.
But was Lerner Scary to him?

Brian Clough stood up to owners, produced European Champions.
Went a whole season with 13 players and won the League.
Called out Owners and Bullies and stood his ground.

Every manager we have had under Lerner has appeared a brown-nosing
redundancy whore.

Except possibly MON and now Remi.

Is Lerner a WIMP?
Is Lerner a SCARY DON ?

We know he's cr@p at business, marriage and sports--- so I'm tending toward..
WIMP (but the brown-nosing does worry me)

 

Mate no disrespect but what the fuck are you on?

[Axl Rose]

Lerner~ ~  TOUGH GUY or WIMP ?

This is a serious question to me.

From MON confessing that he buttered him up with questions about his US team and admitted that Lerner realised he'd done an overnight 'homework' of Wiki-- he eventually walked and won his compo.
Weak Lerner ?

Houlier got out through illness --but eventually went back into football.
Hoodwinked Lerner ?

McLeish--Jesus--- couldn't praise him enough.
Scary Lerner ?

Lambert ---FFS 
Actually hinted/alluded that our leader "may" have been in another box, and "actually" attended matches incognito that the media didn't realise. He didn't say he did...just hinted at it.
Round about the time he started calling him "Randy" rather than "Mr Lerner"
Scary Lerner?

Tactics Tim - was in a separate reality.
Reverted between Randy and Mr Lerner -- one time I heard him refer to him as  the "OWNER"
WOW!... he was gone anyway.
But was Lerner Scary to him?

Brian Clough stood up to owners, produced European Champions.
Went a whole season with 13 players and won the League.
Called out Owners and Bullies and stood his ground.

Every manager we have had under Lerner has appeared a brown-nosing
redundancy whore.

Except possibly MON and now Remi.

Is Lerner a WIMP?
Is Lerner a SCARY DON ?

We know he's cr@p at business, marriage and sports--- so I'm tending toward..
WIMP (but the brown-nosing does worry me)

 

Mate no disrespect but what the fuck are you on?

I agree-Jesus christ, have you absorbed LSD? I read that and got a headache....

[croatian]

Lerner~ ~  TOUGH GUY or WIMP ?

This is a serious question to me.

From MON confessing that he buttered him up with questions about his US team and admitted that Lerner realised he'd done an overnight 'homework' of Wiki-- he eventually walked and won his compo.
Weak Lerner ?

Houlier got out through illness --but eventually went back into football.
Hoodwinked Lerner ?

McLeish--Jesus--- couldn't praise him enough.
Scary Lerner ?

Lambert ---FFS 
Actually hinted/alluded that our leader "may" have been in another box, and "actually" attended matches incognito that the media didn't realise. He didn't say he did...just hinted at it.
Round about the time he started calling him "Randy" rather than "Mr Lerner"
Scary Lerner?

Tactics Tim - was in a separate reality.
Reverted between Randy and Mr Lerner -- one time I heard him refer to him as  the "OWNER"
WOW!... he was gone anyway.
But was Lerner Scary to him?

Brian Clough stood up to owners, produced European Champions.
Went a whole season with 13 players and won the League.
Called out Owners and Bullies and stood his ground.

Every manager we have had under Lerner has appeared a brown-nosing
redundancy whore.

Except possibly MON and now Remi.

Is Lerner a WIMP?
Is Lerner a SCARY DON ?

We know he's cr@p at business, marriage and sports--- so I'm tending toward..
WIMP (but the brown-nosing does worry me)

 

Mate no disrespect but what the fuck are you on?

I agree-Jesus christ, have you absorbed LSD? I read that and got a headache....

Change your dealer pronto.
He's selling you bad shit.

[Rico]

I was talking to a Bolton fan last night (now they really are in the shit) and it struck me how close we are to being in deep deep shit just like them. Both clubs owned by very wealthy men, both clubs up for sale, and both owners not willing to spend anymore cash. It was then that the realisation hit me that we could be about to go the way of Bolton. It's the feeling of helplessness that gets to you. No matter how much we want it, Randy just ain't gonna invest anymore cash. No investment equals relegation. Relegation equals less cash in the coffers. It's the perfect shit storm of hopelessness!

[German James]

I was talking to a Bolton fan last night (now they really are in the shit) and it struck me how close we are to being in deep deep shit just like them. Both clubs owned by very wealthy men, both clubs up for sale, and both owners not willing to spend anymore cash. It was then that the realisation hit me that we could be about to go the way of Bolton. It's the feeling of helplessness that gets to you. No matter how much we want it, Randy just ain't gonna invest anymore cash. No investment equals relegation. Relegation equals less cash in the coffers. It's the perfect shit storm of hopelessness!

That's true and it also makes no business sense on any level. Bizarre, ain't it?

[BC54 VFC]

It seemed as though the whole of Ohio was in Sloppy Joe's, Key West over the weekend. Had a good look out for RL but didn't spot him. Have met some residents of Cleveland who were sympathetic when we told them which UK soccer team we supported.

[Richard E]

I was talking to a Bolton fan last night (now they really are in the ****) and it struck me how close we are to being in deep deep **** just like them. Both clubs owned by very wealthy men, both clubs up for sale, and both owners not willing to spend anymore cash. It was then that the realisation hit me that we could be about to go the way of Bolton. It's the feeling of helplessness that gets to you. No matter how much we want it, Randy just ain't gonna invest anymore cash. No investment equals relegation. Relegation equals less cash in the coffers. It's the perfect **** storm of hopelessness!

Aren't Bolton about to sell their training ground to, of all people, those giants of world football, Wigan Athletic? How depressing must that be.

[Ads]

I'd be interesting to see a wages to games played, goals scored, chances created etc comparison. We play Premier League wages to some, but barely any of them contribute.

[ez]

How does anyone find out how much the players are earning?

[ciggiesnbeer]

The idea of him being totally removed from the running of the club is definitely the correct one, his involvement has been disastrous. I remains to be seen if Hollis as his chairman can actually do anything to improve our lot.  Such is the nature of that role, it will probably be 12-18 months before you can say if he's been a success.

So far Hollis has not put a foot right. While it is possible he will become a competent chairman, so far he has not demonstrated it. Sadly I think we are lumbered with him for a while.

I would argue he is a step down from Lerner. At least Lerner could, in a moment of sanity talking with the manager, dig a bit deeper and free up more money for players. Hollis does not have that ability as he does not own the club and is not a billionaire. He just seems to be yet another dreary cost cutter.

[Villa in Denmark]

The idea of him being totally removed from the running of the club is definitely the correct one, his involvement has been disastrous. I remains to be seen if Hollis as his chairman can actually do anything to improve our lot.  Such is the nature of that role, it will probably be 12-18 months before you can say if he's been a success.

So far Hollis has not put a foot right. While it is possible he will become a competent chairman, so far he has not demonstrated it. Sadly I think we are lumbered with him for a while.

I would argue he is a step down from Lerner. At least Lerner could, in a moment of sanity talking with the manager, dig a bit deeper and free up more money for players. Hollis does not have that ability as he does not own the club and is not a billionaire. He just seems to be yet another dreary cost cutter.

Re Hollis, the only thing he can have influenced positively or negatively was the transfer window. I don't think anyone envisaged it being the shitstorm it was, but he definitely should have taken the chance with the extra couple of million on the 2 deals it looked like Garde had set up.

But as I said, just by the natural if the role it will be at least 12 months before we get a proper idea.
I honestly can't believe that there's a person alive that thinks Lerner's hand on the tiller is a better option than anyone other than Mr. Bean.

As chairman Hollis can run the club exactly how he sees fit. If he thinks the right thing is to borrow over and above our incomings he can go to a bank or he can ask Lerner.

His only duty is to deliver maximum value for the shareholder(s). In this case Lerner needs the club as a  saleable asset.

A PL club with finances in order.