Randy Lerner

[themossman]

I know he's sent mixed messages on this over the past couple of years, but I still believe Lerner is fundamentally inclined towards trying to leave a decent legacy here. However bad his decision making has been I feel he's less likely to leave us in the shit financially than the vast majority of owners out there would be.

[saunders_heroes]

and that list shows you don't have spend loads of money on transfer fees, salaries and agents to compete. You need good players, through good scouting, good managers and coaches and confidence, Pardew, Koeman, Ranieri and the clubs they manage have done that.

Our wage bill is dropping as our league positions drops. Can you not see a link there?

Yes and I am hoping for it to drop a bit more so that by the end we are top of the league.

You really do miss the obvious every time. That you don't need to spend the most to be a competitive side, yet the needle snapped off so long ago that you refuse to acknowledge that outside of those clubs who have so much to force a huge divide there is no real correlation between money spent and league position.

You really do find the positive in every single shitty stat this club has produced over the last 6 seasons don't you. I maybe like a stuck record but at least I'm realistic, and the more we reduce our wage bill the further we fall down the table and closer and closer we head toward the trap door. And if you think we should be the new Leicester you've got more screws loose than I thought you had. What on earth do they put in the water in Canada??

[Dave]

And if you think we should be the new Leicester you've got more screws loose than I thought you had. What on earth do they put in the water in Canada??

You might want to knock the personal stuff on the head.

[saunders_heroes]

And if you think we should be the new Leicester you've got more screws loose than I thought you had. What on earth do they put in the water in Canada??

You might want to knock the personal stuff on the head.

This forum is littered with digs aimed at me but I've not ever seen you pull anyone up about it. Practise what you preach please.

[Dave]

And if you think we should be the new Leicester you've got more screws loose than I thought you had. What on earth do they put in the water in Canada??

You might want to knock the personal stuff on the head.

This forum is littered with digs aimed at me but I've not ever seen you pull anyone up about it. Practise what you preach please.

And if anybody says about you that you've got more screws loose than they originally thought then they will also be asked to stop.

Just like you're being asked now.

[saunders_heroes]

And if you think we should be the new Leicester you've got more screws loose than I thought you had. What on earth do they put in the water in Canada??

You might want to knock the personal stuff on the head.

This forum is littered with digs aimed at me but I've not ever seen you pull anyone up about it. Practise what you preach please.

And if anybody says about you that you've got more screws loose than they originally thought then they will also be asked to stop.

Just like you're being asked now.

I'll be looking forward to you chastising the next poster who gets personal with me then.

[Risso]

One that had passed me by, but I've just read that Bolton are bottom of the Championship, £173M in debt and subject top both a transfer embargo and a winding up petition from HMRC?

Yep. Eddie Davis lives over here, and doesn't want to keep propping the club up any more. A cautionary tale about what happens to clubs who make losses, get relegated and then don't go back up quickly.

But of that £173m, didn't they have about £150m of it at the time they were relegated? Not that this means we don't need to care about our finances, but it's not quite the same situation as we would find ourselves in.

It would be if Lerner decided not to prop the club up financially any more. The debts are not necessarily the problem, having insufficient working capital to carry on trading is.

But that's supposition that isn't really backed up by what he has done up to now isn't it? Is it now twice or thrice that he has converted the loans owed to RAL to equity?

Once.  And that had no overall effect on the cashflow.  But the point I'm making is that what has happened to Bolton is because Eddie Davis won't support them any more.  He's put a simialr amount into Bolton as Lerner has into Villa, but won't/can't any more.

[not3bad]

Does everybody really believe RL is the anti-christ or the victim of terrible advice for the last few years. I don't know enough about the behind the scenes running of the club as so many people seem to? Everything seemed great when he had better advice but the last few years its got worse and worse. As I said I don't know but this has crossed my mind....

He's not evil, vindictive or in any way nasty, but he is very stupid, naive, aloof, capricious, detached, incompetent and completely out of his depth.

Just added in one more word and that's a good descriptive list!

[dave.woodhall]

And if you think we should be the new Leicester you've got more screws loose than I thought you had. What on earth do they put in the water in Canada??

You might want to knock the personal stuff on the head.

This forum is littered with digs aimed at me but I've not ever seen you pull anyone up about it. Practise what you preach please.

And if anybody says about you that you've got more screws loose than they originally thought then they will also be asked to stop.

Just like you're being asked now.

I'll be looking forward to you chastising the next poster who gets personal with me then.

How about all the times you get personal?

[saunders_heroes]

And if you think we should be the new Leicester you've got more screws loose than I thought you had. What on earth do they put in the water in Canada??

You might want to knock the personal stuff on the head.

This forum is littered with digs aimed at me but I've not ever seen you pull anyone up about it. Practise what you preach please.

And if anybody says about you that you've got more screws loose than they originally thought then they will also be asked to stop.

Just like you're being asked now.

I'll be looking forward to you chastising the next poster who gets personal with me then.

How about all the times you get personal?

Which I get pulled up about, though i never get nasty with anyone. Don't ever remember you pulling anyone up when they get personal with me though. What's that, Dave?

[dave.woodhall]

Which I get pulled up about, though i never get nasty with anyone. Don't ever remember you pulling anyone up when they get personal with me though. What's that, Dave?

Please don't play the innocent. You were slagging me for months before you got banned last time - would you like me to quote some of the highlights?

[saunders_heroes]

Which I get pulled up about, though i never get nasty with anyone. Don't ever remember you pulling anyone up when they get personal with me though. What's that, Dave?

Please don't play the innocent. You were slagging me for months before you got banned last time - would you like me to quote some of the highlights?

Carry on Dave, and I'll pull up all the attacks on me that you and your mods miraculously missed. Deal?

[PeterWithesShin]

Less than a week ago Dave W pulled up the bloke that called you a sad prick on the AGM thread.

[saunders_heroes]

Less than a week ago Dave W pulled up the bloke that called you a sad prick on the AGM thread.

Oh I must have missed that one. Apologies, Dave.

[dave.woodhall]

Which I get pulled up about, though i never get nasty with anyone. Don't ever remember you pulling anyone up when they get personal with me though. What's that, Dave?

Please don't play the innocent. You were slagging me for months before you got banned last time - would you like me to quote some of the highlights?

Carry on Dave, and I'll pull up all the attacks on me that you and your mods miraculously missed. Deal?

Fine by me, then as you clearly don't like this place or the people who run it you can go away and never post on here again. Is that alright?