Randy Lerner

[hvkfa1]

We wanted Ellis to go for a bloody long time before he did. On his own terms.

Quite. All this Doug revisionist shite. If he'd been serious about selling when he should have, we might have had a takeover before citeh spoiled things and maybe had a better chance of that top 4 thing. We were heading for relegation by the time he left, as a result of which Lerner started from a low base.

Funny how a few years ago it was 'Lerner appointed O'Neill', now it is 'Ellis appointed O'Neill'. Thinking back to the day that Lerner joined us, we were in a far better position than we are now. My post that was replied to was not a 'Doug revisionist post'. You seized on it in the manner of many who try to deflect blame away from Lerner by dredging up things about Ellis. What do you hope to achieve by this blind loyalty?

[AV82EC]

We wanted Ellis to go for a bloody long time before he did. On his own terms.

Quite. All this Doug revisionist shite. If he'd been serious about selling when he should have, we might have had a takeover before citeh spoiled things and maybe had a better chance of that top 4 thing. We were heading for relegation by the time he left, as a result of which Lerner started from a low base.

Funny how a few years ago it was 'Lerner appointed O'Neill', now it is 'Ellis appointed O'Neill'. Thinking back to the day that Lerner joined us, we were in a far better position than we are now. My post that was replied to was not a 'Doug revisionist post'. You seized on it in the manner of many who try to deflect blame away from Lerner by dredging up things about Ellis. What do you hope to achieve by this blind loyalty?

What nonsense. No-ones trying to deflect blame away from Lerner, the man has totally fucked it up.

As for your assertion we were in a far better position when Lerner took over? We didn't have a pot to piss in were selling the family silver to maintain a break even position on the finances and had finished 16th in the league having flirted with the drop for some of the season. Most people at the time were predictmg our imminent demise the following season. Hardly a million miles away from where we are now.

[aj2k77]

Lerner has done that poor some people pine for the days of a true penny pinching clown. Says it all.

[kippaxvilla2]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kxitvObmbRo

This guy sums it up a bit more courteously and succinctly for me.

[rob_bridge]

We wanted Ellis to go for a bloody long time before he did. On his own terms.

Quite. All this Doug revisionist shite. If he'd been serious about selling when he should have, we might have had a takeover before citeh spoiled things and maybe had a better chance of that top 4 thing. We were heading for relegation by the time he left, as a result of which Lerner started from a low base.

Funny how a few years ago it was 'Lerner appointed O'Neill', now it is 'Ellis appointed O'Neill'. Thinking back to the day that Lerner joined us, we were in a far better position than we are now. My post that was replied to was not a 'Doug revisionist post'. You seized on it in the manner of many who try to deflect blame away from Lerner by dredging up things about Ellis. What do you hope to achieve by this blind loyalty?

What nonsense. No-ones trying to deflect blame away from Lerner, the man has totally fucked it up.

As for your assertion we were in a far better position when Lerner took over? We didn't have a pot to piss in were selling the family silver to maintain a break even position on the finances and had finished 16th in the league having flirted with the drop for some of the season. Most people at the time were predictmg our imminent demise the following season. Hardly a million miles away from where we are now.

Correct

[saunders_heroes]

We wanted Ellis to go for a bloody long time before he did. On his own terms.

Quite. All this Doug revisionist shite. If he'd been serious about selling when he should have, we might have had a takeover before citeh spoiled things and maybe had a better chance of that top 4 thing. We were heading for relegation by the time he left, as a result of which Lerner started from a low base.

Funny how a few years ago it was 'Lerner appointed O'Neill', now it is 'Ellis appointed O'Neill'. Thinking back to the day that Lerner joined us, we were in a far better position than we are now. My post that was replied to was not a 'Doug revisionist post'. You seized on it in the manner of many who try to deflect blame away from Lerner by dredging up things about Ellis. What do you hope to achieve by this blind loyalty?

What nonsense. No-ones trying to deflect blame away from Lerner, the man has totally fucked it up.

As for your assertion we were in a far better position when Lerner took over? We didn't have a pot to piss in were selling the family silver to maintain a break even position on the finances and had finished 16th in the league having flirted with the drop for some of the season. Most people at the time were predictmg our imminent demise the following season. Hardly a million miles away from where we are now.

Correct

Oh I don't know. Remind me, were we 11 points adrift of safety at the foot of the table after 6 seasons of smashing every shitty record the club had ever set when Doug sold up?
No we weren't.

[themossman]

I don't think either of them was

We wanted Ellis to go for a bloody long time before he did. On his own terms.

Quite. All this Doug revisionist shite. If he'd been serious about selling when he should have, we might have had a takeover before citeh spoiled things and maybe had a better chance of that top 4 thing. We were heading for relegation by the time he left, as a result of which Lerner started from a low base.

Funny how a few years ago it was 'Lerner appointed O'Neill', now it is 'Ellis appointed O'Neill'. Thinking back to the day that Lerner joined us, we were in a far better position than we are now. My post that was replied to was not a 'Doug revisionist post'. You seized on it in the manner of many who try to deflect blame away from Lerner by dredging up things about Ellis. What do you hope to achieve by this blind loyalty?

I don't know what my post contains that suggests blind loyalty to Lerner. I think, overall, they were both fairly poor owners. But I don't buy this new version of history where Doug wouldn't have got us into this mess, because, as AV82EC points out, he pretty much did.

What is undeniable is that he was much better as protecting his own interests and that he walked away from us with a damn site more out of the transaction than Lerner will.

[CJ]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kxitvObmbRo

This guy sums it up a bit more courteously and succinctly for me.

Absolutely spot on

[themossman]

We wanted Ellis to go for a bloody long time before he did. On his own terms.

Quite. All this Doug revisionist shite. If he'd been serious about selling when he should have, we might have had a takeover before citeh spoiled things and maybe had a better chance of that top 4 thing. We were heading for relegation by the time he left, as a result of which Lerner started from a low base.

Funny how a few years ago it was 'Lerner appointed O'Neill', now it is 'Ellis appointed O'Neill'. Thinking back to the day that Lerner joined us, we were in a far better position than we are now. My post that was replied to was not a 'Doug revisionist post'. You seized on it in the manner of many who try to deflect blame away from Lerner by dredging up things about Ellis. What do you hope to achieve by this blind loyalty?

What nonsense. No-ones trying to deflect blame away from Lerner, the man has totally fucked it up.

As for your assertion we were in a far better position when Lerner took over? We didn't have a pot to piss in were selling the family silver to maintain a break even position on the finances and had finished 16th in the league having flirted with the drop for some of the season. Most people at the time were predictmg our imminent demise the following season. Hardly a million miles away from where we are now.

Correct

Oh I don't know. Remind me, were we 11 points adrift of safety at the foot of the table after 6 seasons of smashing every shitty record the club had ever set when Doug sold up?
No we weren't.

I think the point is we were probably roughly where we have been for the past few seasons and on a downward trajectory. Whether we were going to go down with a run like this is a moot point. We were still failing to spend at the level required to stay competitive in the league and that's only ever going to have one outcome in the end.

[dicedlam]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kxitvObmbRo

This guy sums it up a bit more courteously and succinctly for me.

Absolutely spot on

Nail on the head.

[rob_bridge]

We wanted Ellis to go for a bloody long time before he did. On his own terms.

Quite. All this Doug revisionist shite. If he'd been serious about selling when he should have, we might have had a takeover before citeh spoiled things and maybe had a better chance of that top 4 thing. We were heading for relegation by the time he left, as a result of which Lerner started from a low base.

Funny how a few years ago it was 'Lerner appointed O'Neill', now it is 'Ellis appointed O'Neill'. Thinking back to the day that Lerner joined us, we were in a far better position than we are now. My post that was replied to was not a 'Doug revisionist post'. You seized on it in the manner of many who try to deflect blame away from Lerner by dredging up things about Ellis. What do you hope to achieve by this blind loyalty?

What nonsense. No-ones trying to deflect blame away from Lerner, the man has totally fucked it up.

As for your assertion we were in a far better position when Lerner took over? We didn't have a pot to piss in were selling the family silver to maintain a break even position on the finances and had finished 16th in the league having flirted with the drop for some of the season. Most people at the time were predictmg our imminent demise the following season. Hardly a million miles away from where we are now.

Correct

Oh I don't know. Remind me, were we 11 points adrift of safety at the foot of the table after 6 seasons of smashing every shitty record the club had ever set when Doug sold up?
No we weren't.

Doug managed to oversee the stewardship of some appalling achievements too. Lerner doesn't have any exclusivity.

I think we'd have been relegated had Doug stayed. You only had to look back 20 years to see history repeating itself.

He was no longer (in practice) to do the Chairman/CEO role. We had drifted downwards and this was clearly reversed when Lerner took over.

Have you recruited some acolytes to the site perchance? There is a awfully familiar echo from some newbies.

[ROBBO]

I hope Lerner gets to watch that.

[ez]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kxitvObmbRo

This guy sums it up a bit more courteously and succinctly for me.

How depressing is that. How long is it going to take to undo that mess?

[prmort]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kxitvObmbRo

This guy sums it up a bit more courteously and succinctly for me.

Oh dear, what a shame that he is right.

[MarkM]

I remember watching Forest in there death throws, I bet none of them thought it would last as long as it has.

I worry that we will follow a similar path.