Randy Lerner

[tomd2103]

I'd appreciate someone at the club like Lerner, Krulak or Garde apologising for the dreadful form and acknowledging that it's totally unacceptable.

Agree.  Rather than the "building something special" nonsense, I would rather an admittance that they have got things terribly wrong and an assurance that they are working on rectifying past mistakes. 

[OzVilla]

We're unravelling on and off the field.

Ridiculous analogy really, were going to show some fight like the US Marines do. Right well how does that square that with the fact that pretty much every stat shows us as the least hard working team in the league. Our fitness and effort has been in question all season.


We're a shambles right now so unless you'd like to apologize just shut up.

[dave.woodhall]

Hands up who knew the names of our chairman, secretary or even a director or two before the advent of the Internet? I know I did. I even heard them speak via the media. It's almost being suggested that before the age of the Internet fans didn't know their arses from their elbow when it came to their football club and who was in charge.

No it isn't.

[john e]

Hands up who knew the names of our chairman, secretary or even a director or two before the advent of the Internet? I know I did. I even heard them speak via the media. It's almost being suggested that before the age of the Internet fans didn't know their arses from their elbow when it came to their football club and who was in charge.

It's debatable whether you know your arse from your elbow in the internet age

[kippaxvilla2]

Well I'm currently sat here on my elbow typing away.

[Pat McMahon]

Well I'm currently sat here on my elbow typing away.

Good man. You're now playing centre half on Saturday

[Chris Harte]

Hands up who knew the names of our chairman, secretary or even a director or two before the advent of the Internet? I know I did. I even heard them speak via the media. It's almost being suggested that before the age of the Internet fans didn't know their arses from their elbow when it came to their football club and who was in charge.

No it isn't.

If it's not being suggested that before the age of the internet fans didn't know who the board members were at the club, then why are you so insistent that fans these days don't know who is on the board unless they're on an internet forum?

[dave.woodhall]

Hands up who knew the names of our chairman, secretary or even a director or two before the advent of the Internet? I know I did. I even heard them speak via the media. It's almost being suggested that before the age of the Internet fans didn't know their arses from their elbow when it came to their football club and who was in charge.

No it isn't.

If it's not being suggested that before the age of the internet fans didn't know who the board members were at the club, then why are you so insistent that fans these days don't know who is on the board unless they're on an internet forum?

It isn't being suggested and I haven't said that at all, much less been "insistent" on it. If you want to pick an argument, find something I've actually said.

[saunders_heroes]

Hands up who knew the names of our chairman, secretary or even a director or two before the advent of the Internet? I know I did. I even heard them speak via the media. It's almost being suggested that before the age of the Internet fans didn't know their arses from their elbow when it came to their football club and who was in charge.

It's debatable whether you know your arse from your elbow in the internet age

Well maybe so but while I was pointing out that the club was in decline and all the signs were there to see you were too busy organising a ticker tape parade for Randy's Young and Hungry parade to notice.

[Chris Harte]

Hands up who knew the names of our chairman, secretary or even a director or two before the advent of the Internet? I know I did. I even heard them speak via the media. It's almost being suggested that before the age of the Internet fans didn't know their arses from their elbow when it came to their football club and who was in charge.

No it isn't.

If it's not being suggested that before the age of the internet fans didn't know who the board members were at the club, then why are you so insistent that fans these days don't know who is on the board unless they're on an internet forum?

It isn't being suggested and I haven't said that at all, much less been "insistent" on it. If you want to pick an argument, find something I've actually said.

I'm not trying to pick an argument. However, you did back the notion that those who don't use forums (fora?) won't be that aware of Gen. Krulak. I begged to differ, and you countered with your own argument. Fair enough.

Saunders comment that its almost being suggested that fans prior to the internet age wouldn't have known who the board were, at least to me, seems to be based on your assertion that non-fora dwelling Villa fans won't know who Gen. Krulak is today. However, the General has been all over the media at various points billed as a board member and Lerner's right-hand man. Surely you remember the rumpus over his "pigs in mud" comments - something that got a huge amount of coverage.

Non-forum dwelling people may not know that he's a Non-Executive Director, but they will recognise him as a board member.

[Chris Harte]

Just posting to show where you back the notion of non-net users not knowing who Krulak is.

80-90% of Villa fans who don't post on message boards wont even know who the General is
so I doubt if many of them are getting all worked up about it

Of course they'll know who he is. From local media, to programmes, to mass media he is quoted. Just about every Villa fan will know who he is.

I'll bet you they won't.

[dave.woodhall]

Just posting to show where you back the notion of non-net users not knowing who Krulak is.

80-90% of Villa fans who don't post on message boards wont even know who the General is
so I doubt if many of them are getting all worked up about it

Of course they'll know who he is. From local media, to programmes, to mass media he is quoted. Just about every Villa fan will know who he is.

I'll bet you they won't.

Which backs up what I just said - at no time have I claimed that non-net users won't/don't know who he is. What I said there is that I disagree with the idea that "Just about every Villa fan" will know who he is. I don't think they would but I really can't be bothered arguing the toss over something that I haven't said, and certainly don't agree with.

[passport1]

I don't know who knows what about whom. As for who knows what about the known unknowns well it's anybodys guess.

[Chris Harte]

Just posting to show where you back the notion of non-net users not knowing who Krulak is.

80-90% of Villa fans who don't post on message boards wont even know who the General is
so I doubt if many of them are getting all worked up about it

Of course they'll know who he is. From local media, to programmes, to mass media he is quoted. Just about every Villa fan will know who he is.

I'll bet you they won't.

Which backs up what I just said - at no time have I claimed that non-net users won't/don't know who he is. What I said there is that I disagree with the idea that "Just about every Villa fan" will know who he is. I don't think they would but I really can't be bothered arguing the toss over something that I haven't said, and certainly don't agree with.

Well John e's quote says 80-90%. I suppose it depends on ones definition of "just about every..."

[dave.woodhall]

Just posting to show where you back the notion of non-net users not knowing who Krulak is.

80-90% of Villa fans who don't post on message boards wont even know who the General is
so I doubt if many of them are getting all worked up about it

Of course they'll know who he is. From local media, to programmes, to mass media he is quoted. Just about every Villa fan will know who he is.

I'll bet you they won't.

Which backs up what I just said - at no time have I claimed that non-net users won't/don't know who he is. What I said there is that I disagree with the idea that "Just about every Villa fan" will know who he is. I don't think they would but I really can't be bothered arguing the toss over something that I haven't said, and certainly don't agree with.

Well John e's quote says 80-90%. I suppose it depends on ones definition of "just about every..."

Are you being deliberately obtuse? I've just explained, again, what I was referring to. I've just explained, again, that the thing you seem so keen to not pick an argument about is something I didn't say and don't agree with anyway. So why don't you either accept that you are wrong, or else find somewhere else to talk about what I haven't said.