Randy Lerner

[tomd2103]

I think he's nearly always been well intentioned, just God awful execution of everything.

Agree.  I suppose we'll never find out, but I do wonder just how much the events at the end of O'Neill's tenure impacted on him.  He got his fingers burnt badly there and I wonder how much it impacted on him. 

[villadelph]

Speaking as a long time Steelers fan, I think Randy did a first class job at the Browns

Similar to Yeung at sha.. brilliant work over there.

[dave.woodhall]

I think he's nearly always been well intentioned, just God awful execution of everything.

Agree.  I suppose we'll never find out, but I do wonder just how much the events at the end of O'Neill's tenure impacted on him.  He got his fingers burnt badly there and I wonder how much it impacted on him. 

Everything points to him placing great store on loyalty and decency. The way in which O'Neill and apparently Houllier left had a big impact on him.

[eamonn]

Didn't O'Neill and Randy bump into each other on holiday this year and had a reminisce and a ''no hard-feelings'' catch-up? Would be nice to think O'Neill left with a bit more humility than August five years ago.

[pauliewalnuts]

Maybe he preferred it before the Lerner family appeared when the Browns were moved to Baltimore and there wasn't even a team in Cleveland for a few years in the 90s?

Like TV, rather than defending Lerner just putting the Browns stuff into context.

Wasn't that his Dad rather than him, though?

Don't get me wrong, I honestly don't give one tenth of one single shit for American football, and don't really care about the Cleveland Browns and what he did there, and I know you said Lerner "family" but isn't that clouding matters a bit if you are talking about Lerner junior rather than senior?

FWIW I imagine Randy cared about both the Browns and Villa, it is just really hard to conclude other than him having made a pigs ear of it, with the huge uncontrolled money-pissing (which even us fans were concerned about) followed by five years of austere struggle dodging relegation, culminating with us now on seven points the week before Christmas and on course to be statistically one of the worst sides to have appeared in this league.

All this cloudy shit like "Randy is an unmotivated seller" from Fox doesn't really help create stability, either.

Some if the off field, non football stuff has been good, but almost everything that really matters, he has totally fucked up.

[Villa in Denmark]

I think he's nearly always been well intentioned, just God awful execution of everything.

Agree.  I suppose we'll never find out, but I do wonder just how much the events at the end of O'Neill's tenure impacted on him.  He got his fingers burnt badly there and I wonder how much it impacted on him. 

Everything points to him placing great store on loyalty and decency. The way in which O'Neill and apparently Houllier left had a big impact on him.

What was with the way Houllier left?
I've always understood it to be as simple as it was sold at the time, mutual consent because of his health issues.

[four fornicholl]

conspiracey alert,
somebody is taking randy learner for a ride,
guess who?

[dave.woodhall]

I think he's nearly always been well intentioned, just God awful execution of everything.

Agree.  I suppose we'll never find out, but I do wonder just how much the events at the end of O'Neill's tenure impacted on him.  He got his fingers burnt badly there and I wonder how much it impacted on him. 

Everything points to him placing great store on loyalty and decency. The way in which O'Neill and apparently Houllier left had a big impact on him.

What was with the way Houllier left?
I've always understood it to be as simple as it was sold at the time, mutual consent because of his health issues.

I got the impression that he wasn't as amenable to leaving as the board thought he would be and took every last penny he was entitled to rather than come to a mutual agreement. Chelts or PWS will confirm, but it was either at an SCG or a Trust meeting that Paul Faulkner said he would rather shake hands with O'Neill than Houllier.

[Villa in Denmark]

I think he's nearly always been well intentioned, just God awful execution of everything.

Agree.  I suppose we'll never find out, but I do wonder just how much the events at the end of O'Neill's tenure impacted on him.  He got his fingers burnt badly there and I wonder how much it impacted on him. 

Everything points to him placing great store on loyalty and decency. The way in which O'Neill and apparently Houllier left had a big impact on him.

What was with the way Houllier left?
I've always understood it to be as simple as it was sold at the time, mutual consent because of his health issues.

I got the impression that he wasn't as amenable to leaving as the board thought he would be and took every last penny he was entitled to rather than come to a mutual agreement. Chelts or PWS will confirm, but it was either at an SCG or a Trust meeting that Paul Faulkner said he would rather shake hands with O'Neill than Houllier.

Bloody hell,  that really gives it some context.

[bertlambshank]

And there lies the biggest problem with Randy.Anybody who knows modern day football the first rule must be trust nobody.

[Dave]

I got the impression that he wasn't as amenable to leaving as the board thought he would be and took every last penny he was entitled to rather than come to a mutual agreement.

Is there any reason that he would or should have taken less money than he was entitled to?

If you're employed by a billionaire and your contract says you're entitled to x amount of money if you're asked to step aside, why would anybody be surprised if you then expect the money that you're owed?

[dave.woodhall]

I got the impression that he wasn't as amenable to leaving as the board thought he would be and took every last penny he was entitled to rather than come to a mutual agreement.

Is there any reason that he would or should have taken less money than he was entitled to?

If you're employed by a billionaire and your contract says you're entitled to x amount of money if you're asked to step aside, why would anybody be surprised if you then expect the money that you're owed?

I've no idea; maybe it was another reason, or maybe they'd been led to believe he might act with a bit more grace.

[Dave]

I got the impression that he wasn't as amenable to leaving as the board thought he would be and took every last penny he was entitled to rather than come to a mutual agreement.

Is there any reason that he would or should have taken less money than he was entitled to?

If you're employed by a billionaire and your contract says you're entitled to x amount of money if you're asked to step aside, why would anybody be surprised if you then expect the money that you're owed?

I've no idea; maybe it was another reason, or maybe they'd been led to believe he might act with a bit more grace.

I don't really see where grace comes into it. When they offered him the contract they'll have known the terms of his severance package.

If they didn't think that they would need to pay him what his terms said he was entitled to, they wouldn't have put it in his contract in the first place.

[dave.woodhall]

Maybe he'd told them something different. I don't know anything for certain other than what was said.

[ChicagoLion]

I guess it must have depended on if Houlier was indicating that his illness was not a complete impediment to being able to fullfill his duties or most of them, and the club insisting that they end the contract. Houlier obviously refusing to enter a compromise agreement.