Randy Lerner

[pauliewalnuts]

He never pretended to be a fan of the club in his university days.

You massive Lerner apologist.

[saunders_heroes]

He never pretended to be a fan of the club in his university days.

You massive Lerner apologist.

Which is as far as I'll ever go defending him. 😎

[pauliewalnuts]

If he'd been a real fan of the club, he wouldn't have gone to Cambridge University, he'd have gone to Birmingham Poly.

[PeterWithesShin]

There will be an interview coming out tomorrow with Lescott defending Lerner. That's Lerner fucked then.


/baddumtish

[b23]

He never pretended to be a fan of the club in his university days.

I was'nt there so will take your advice.

[Villa in Denmark]

Vile personal abuse of anyone at any level is not acceptable in my book.
My definition of "abuse" was of a slightly differing order. Calling someone  an incompetent, negligent buffoon is abuse , but it's not vile ?? Subjective I guess

Not necessarily on this thread, but there's worse dotted around various threads.

Didn't you just call Sherwood a fuckwit twat on another thread?

Yes, probably. I'm a tired and irritable git, who apparently can also be a bit of a hypocrite.

For the record I detest Sherwood to a degree that possibility matches your loathing for Lerner for the way he's twisted, turned and manipulated things over the last 3-4 weeks.

Lerner I view as someone who came with the best of intentions and who monumentally fucked up when he didn't reign MON in at least 12 months earlier than actually happened. Since then we've had a serious of botched appointments as he's tried to get the club's books to balance to actually make the clue saleable whilst keeping the club viable on the pitch.

[Villa in Denmark]

I've just checked and if it's the post in the Kozak thread, I refer to Sherwood personally as a twat and describe his decision making as fuckwitery.
So yes my description of Sherwood as a twat is personal abuse.

Hypocrite? Guilty as charged in this instance.

[villadelph]

Collymore ramping up the heat.

I will not tell anyone to hold back against Lerner. You are entitled to your opinion, whatever it may be. Believe me, the abuse he gets on this board is far less than what he got from Browns fan. His incompetence cannot be accepted or condoned.

He's a quiet, awkward man who has no business being the owner of a sports franchise/club. I do not appreciate the way he has handled the club.

Is that vile?

[aj2k77]

And as for the rest of the post, what difference would it even make if Randy gave us some quarterly state of the nation address?

The last two times he has said anything about the club, it has been nonsensical rubbish about Shummanites or whatever. If we want someone to bring clarity to the situation, getting Randy to speak to us is right down the list alongside appointing footyskillz as our new press officer.

That's not a slur on Lerner, incidentally, that's just the way it is. It wouldn't make a scrap of difference.

Footyskillz has been talking way more sense than anyone related to the Villa lately.

[old man villa fan]

Lerner I view as someone who came with the best of intentions and who monumentally fucked up when he didn't reign MON in at least 12 months earlier than actually happened. Since then we've had a serious of botched appointments as he's tried to get the club's books to balance to actually make the clue saleable whilst keeping the club viable on the pitch.

This is generally my view.

Where Lerner was naïve was not understanding how players can lose their value and a club can get stuck with players under contract.  Once he realised this he put a plan in action to prevent us spiralling into debt that we could not come back from.

Somewhere along the line he decided to sell up and it looks like he thought "if I can steady the ship for a couple of years, I can make the club attractive enough to buy".  Where it has gone wrong is that we have been on a downward slope from the final year with MON.  Initially, he was able to apply a brake by the sale of Barry, Milner, Young, Downing and the purchase of Bent.  We then fell off the cliff financially and he had limited ways to slow the descent, other than drastically trimming costs.

We are still on the downward slope but he thought he would have been able to sell the club further up the slope, with somebody else injecting the capital to take us out of the trough.  Selection of managers has followed a pattern but, in my opinion, did not suit the situation at the given time and, other than Houllier, were massive gambles.  Lerner has tried and always said that if he could not take the club forward he would sell.  I do not believe he can be blamed for nobody wanting to buy us.  The price is not too high considering the infrastructure of the club but as I have said many times before, who wants to invest £300-£400m to still only have a 1:5 or 6 chance of getting to the top.  Further, who wants to invest £200m just to finish mid-table.  I have said it before, that I think his best way out of this is to dilute his stake by bringing in investors, rather than throw another £50m of his own money at it.

The other part of the discussion about who agreed which players to buy over the summer, if Sherwood had any idea how to set a team up, he should have been shouting out loud that the loss of goals through the sale of Benteke would mean a tightening up at the other end of the pitch.  So why wasn't he going all out to demand the purchase of a RB, left CD and a goalkeeper as these were obvious weaknesses.  The only thing I would accept as a mitigating factor would be if he only had £10m plus income from sales to spend.  Which then goes back to Lerner.

[Phil from the upper holte]

He can go fuck himself, if we go down I hope he hangs his head in shame and we get to burn his Villa tattoo off with a flame thrower

[silhillvilla]

Collymore ramping up the heat.

I will not tell anyone to hold back against Lerner. You are entitled to your opinion, whatever it may be. Believe me, the abuse he gets on this board is far less than what he got from Browns fan. His incompetence cannot be accepted or condoned.

He's a quiet, awkward man who has no business being the owner of a sports franchise/club. I do not appreciate the way he has handled the club.

Is that vile?

They do say a week is a long time in football I guess

[Phil from the upper holte]

When did he say Sherwood out? I thought he said he was behind him?

[silhillvilla]

When did he say Sherwood out? I thought he said he was behind him?

I think he wants Lerner out , for some reason the club have pulled his column in the programme from this week .

[eamonn]

Collymores diatribe is on the Mail's site. Interesting reading.