Randy Lerner

[PeterWithesShin]

It really isn't moneyball. Whether it's me, Sherwood, Fox, Paddy or Rupert the Bear buying the players we bought in the summer. At most it's sabermetrics. Yet again, the two things are totally different.

[Jimbo]

Whatever it is, it's not what we nor any other club in this country has been doing for decades. It's something different, and therefore, until someone comes up with a specific name for it (Foxyball, Paddyball...), it's going to get called moneyball.

[Villa in Denmark]

One thing for anyone wanting Lerner out and a return to MON (or even McLeish) type spending.

The two are mutually exclusive as the second would return us to losing £50M per year which would preclude the first.
If we can't be sold now we're breaking even there's no chance whilst recording heavy losses.
I'd say for anyone looking to buy into the PL, financially sound and potential to move up the table is more attractive than a team haemorrhaging cash floating around the top 6.
It simply isn't sustainable to keep expecting any owner to keep supporting those kinds of losses apart from Man City's.
Even Ambamovich eventually had to call it a day when the total investment approached £1 billion. Their largesse these days is funded by commercial revenues and CL money.

[German James]

Well, I've known what 'moneyball' is for a little over an hour now, and I've decided I hate it as a word, a meme, a concept, a business strategy and its being applied to Aston Villa.

[Dave]

Whatever it is, it's not what we nor any other club in this country has been doing for decades. It's something different, and therefore, until someone comes up with a specific name for it (Foxyball, Paddyball...), it's going to get called moneyball.

Why is it different to Newcastle buying the likes of Cabaye, Tioté, Cissé, Sissoko, Santon etc a few years ago?

It looks quite a lot like we're trying to do exactly the same thing to me - get better value out of buying some of the better players from clubs and leagues who aren't as rich as we are. Which as PWS says, is just basically transfers. It's not anything particularly new.

[silhillvilla]

All well and good saying cut out the Lerner bashing, but sorry, you buy AVFC that comes with a whole load of responsibility and accountability.

My biggest issue with Lerner is the silent treatment and absolute disregard he shows, bordering on contempt for the supporters. I don't expect a daily or even weekly update from him , but Quarterly as a minimum even if it's just a paragraph or so would be at least respectful towards the supporters .

[preston28]

If we were 6th no one would give a fuck if Randy was ever at VP or BH or never turned up. Where Randy physically is isn't the problem.

True - it's where he is mentally at is the problem.

[Stirchley Villain]

Our long term strategy changes every 6 months. We've no hope of matching the likes of even Stoke Southampton or Swansea. Even our most laughable immediate competitors Barcodes and Mackems have steadied the ship. It ain't looking good for us.

[Jimbo]

Whatever it is, it's not what we nor any other club in this country has been doing for decades. It's something different, and therefore, until someone comes up with a specific name for it (Foxyball, Paddyball...), it's going to get called moneyball.

Why is it different to Newcastle buying the likes of Cabaye, Tioté, Cissé, Sissoko, Santon etc a few years ago?

It looks quite a lot like we're trying to do exactly the same thing to me - get better value out of buying some of the better players from clubs and leagues who aren't as rich as we are. Which as PWS says, is just basically transfers. It's not anything particularly new.

It may well be exactly what Newcastle did, if indeed both clubs bought a number of players to a system of data analysis, in order to compete on a budget, and above the manager's say so. To my knowledge, we haven't done that before, unless you count Doug seeing David Ginola in his Speedos and signing him from his sun lounger.

If the 'management structure' is signing players, and not the manager, you can surely see the potential for disagreements if said players don't fit into a team, and the team starts plummeting down the division.

[PeterWithesShin]

The only evidence that that is the case though is related to Sherwood. Who was acting like he had scouted them all in the summer, and as Rudy has posted, his comments about each signing make it sound like that as well. To be honest it's getting to the stage where I don't believe anything Sherwood says.

[Jimbo]

On that point PWS I totally agree with you. Sherwood seems the type who will say anything to deflect attention from his own shortcomings. But really, the club is in such turmoil, I don't know what we're doing or who to believe.

[Dave]

It may well be exactly what Newcastle did, if indeed both clubs bought a number of players to a system of data analysis, in order to compete on a budget, and above the manager's say so. To my knowledge, we haven't done that before

To my knowledge, we haven't done that now.

[pauliewalnuts]

All well and good saying cut out the Lerner bashing, but sorry, you buy AVFC that comes with a whole load of responsibility and accountability.

Yes it's so all well and good to say cut out the Lerner bashing that nobody actually said it, still don't let that hold you back.

[silhillvilla]

All well and good saying cut out the Lerner bashing, but sorry, you buy AVFC that comes with a whole load of responsibility and accountability.

Yes it's so all well and good to say cut out the Lerner bashing that nobody actually said it, still don't let that hold you back.

Try page 7 or 8 of this thread. Knock yourself out

[pauliewalnuts]

All well and good saying cut out the Lerner bashing, but sorry, you buy AVFC that comes with a whole load of responsibility and accountability.

Yes it's so all well and good to say cut out the Lerner bashing that nobody actually said it, still don't let that hold you back.

Try page 7 or 8 of this thread. Knock yourself out

One post standing up for him and referring to "bashing" in a thread of 223 posts?

You make it sound like there's a groundswell of posts defending Lerner rather than a load of people having a ruck about who is most to blame for this mess.

Not seeing Lerner as the sole cause of the shit we are in is not the same thing as absolving him.