This is the season...

[Dave]

Yes ok but I suggest that 36 would keep us up and 30 or below would mean certain relegation as its been proved since 3 points per game started.

But if Sunderland lose every game for the rest of the season then that's A Good Thing. It means we could stay up with 35 points. Or 34. Or 33. Or 32. You get the picture.

If they do things like get fortunate wins at places that we have already lost, then that's A Bad Thing.

Teams have been relegated with more than 36 points, so if we do get to 36 points and still go down the fact that we got to a random number of points won't be much of a consolation. All we need to do is do slightly better than three other bad teams, even if all we do is win another four games all season. Sunderland winning their matches very much has an impact on that.

[olaftab]

I see you are peddling the " I only need to out run you not the tiger" argument but Sunderland or Newcastle etc may not be a player in the equation come end of the season. Points accumulated will be a big factor.

[Dave]

I see you are peddling the " I only need to out run you not the tiger" argument but Sunderland or Newcastle etc may not be a player in the equation come end of the season. Points accumulated will be a big factor.

It's not an argument to peddle. It's basic maths. If we get more points than any other three teams, regardless of how many points that might be then we stay up.

Picking a random number and assuming that we're doomed if we get anything less than that and safe if we get anything more than that, ignoring the number of points other teams have is neither an argument, nor basic maths.

[Sexual Ealing]

Remi has such a massive job on

No, I see where you're coming from but I think he mentioned something about having a Toblerone in his pocket.

[Louzie0]

I see you are peddling the " I only need to out run you not the tiger" argument but Sunderland or Newcastle etc may not be a player in the equation come end of the season. Points accumulated will be a big factor.

It's not an argument to peddle. It's basic maths. If we get more points than any other three teams, regardless of how many points that might be then we stay up.

Picking a random number and assuming that we're doomed if we get anything less than that and safe if we get anything more than that, ignoring the number of points other teams have is neither an argument, nor basic maths.

We have to outrun 3 tigers. Asthmatic ones with dodgy knees and related mobility issues.

[itbrvilla]

I think think we're fucked.

[kippaxvilla2]

One win.  Just one fcukin win might change things.  If only we could get a win from anywhere.  It would surely change the mood.

[SoccerHQ]

Knowing us we'll get a win v Watford...and then lose our next three games by a combined 15-0 or something.

That's been our standard fare since 2010,
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[PeterWithesShin]

The Bitters with 34 is the lowest points total to stay up. 3 times in the last 15 years 38 points hasn't been enough to stay up. It's not an exact science but you can use those stats to work out the region of points we'll need to stay up. The aim for me is a minimum of 38.

[russon]

Face facts everyone, we're gone and no amount of wishful thinking will change that. We should consider ourselves fortunate if they don't relegate us two divisions for stinking the place out so abysmally. We won't reach thirty goals never mind thirty points, it's all over and no mistake.

[footyskillz]

I think there's more chance of villa surviving than Leicester winning league or even getting top 4.
If people consign villa to bottom place and relegation then lets say Leicester are champions.
I don't expect either wil be top or bottom come season end.
13 games is early and its a supposedly open league.

[russon]

I think there's more chance of villa surviving than Leicester winning league or even getting top 4.
If people consign villa to bottom place and relegation then lets say Leicester are champions.
I don't expect either wil be top or bottom come season end.
13 games is early and its a supposedly open league.

I'd argue 13 games is not early, it's a third of the season gone. On form to date we're on course for 15 points and while I think we'll exceed that total we've left ourselves way too much to do. The fact that Leicester won't win the league is of no consequence other than to say they'll be one of 19 teams to finish above us.

[footyskillz]

Just saying what the case is now can be different in another 7 matches.
Its not exactly late in season. Form to date is only an indication but no fact! I just wishing to discuss that and dispute any facts.
Derby in march went down so even if villa were that bad there's plenty of time. Plus each season different and Leicester ab example of at team at bottom and escaped.
Villa currently between a derby and Leicester so be interesting and hopeful to see what happens

[russon]

I admire your optimism my friend but the last time we won a league game the kids were still on summer holidays and I'm off to see them in a nativity play in a fortnight! In the intervening period our keeper has spent more time in the back of his net than in front of it, our defence couldn't tackle a fish supper, the midfield have yet to be introduced to each other and the nation hasn't stopped tittering at Sky's condemnation of our 'strikeforce's' figurehead who has seemingly spent the season so far eating chips. I see no valid reason why anyone can reasonably expect anything but a slow and ignominious death from hereon in.

[Smirker]

We have six games left this year, of which I can only see us winning two at best, which would put us on 11 points halfway through the season.

We are down. Can't see anything else.