Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[kippaxvilla2]

One other thing that amuses me is that there are still people who come on here clamouring for Sid to be put in charge despite him having almost entirely no qualifications to do the job.

[aj2k77]

One other thing that amuses me is that there are still people who come on here clamouring for Sid to be put in charge despite him having almost entirely no qualifications to do the job.

He'd be an utter disaster. Really nice chap, about as far from manager material as you could get. The only people I could think of that would think Sid could do a good job in this circumstance are the brothers fuckwit Fox and Lerner.

[kippaxvilla2]

At least Gareth gets the soul of the club.  Seem to remember him commenting on the lack of mementos on the European Cup win around the place in his book.

Well, that's that sorted then. Southgate comes in, sticks a couple of pictures of Peter Withe on the wall and we start climbing the table to safety.

Can't see what all the fuss is about.

If only someone had told Sherwood, we could have been spared a whole load of bother.

It's the Gary Mabbutt and Glenn Hoddle pictures that are the problem.

Right load of funny fuckers aren't you.  Heaven forbid someone such as Southgate would ever want to build on the success in his career and to achieve that with villa which is actually what he would have preferred.  Okay so he screwed up ultimately with his choice but he just wanted (like the rest of us at the time) for Doug to be more ambitious.  The amount of revisionism that goes on sometimes is ludicrous.

[silhillvilla]

Voted undecided . I'm not sure the issue is sherwood alone, bigger picture

[adrenachrome]

One other thing that amuses me is that there are still people who come on here clamouring for Sid to be put in charge despite him having almost entirely no qualifications to do the job.

"Almost entirely".  Where do you get this stuff?





 







 

[kippaxvilla2]

Fair play usually when I've had a few!

[adrenachrome]

Fair play usually when I've had a few!

Fair play, so.

[silhillvilla]

Been with Sid today , and his mrs, think he'd do an interim Job but long term i doubt he'd want the job, same with Tayls, these guys are great club servants and ambassadors but managerial wise we need different animal

[kippaxvilla2]

We'll wait for Mourinho to be sacked so we don't have to pay any compensation.

[mr woo]

The biggest surprise about this appointment going tits up is that some people seem surprised it's gone tits up.

It was clearly a pin the tail on the donkey decision in the first place. I never thought for one minute Tim-arrogant-but-dim was going to be the answer long term, though I thank him for keeping us up*,  the real guilty party here is Tom Fox, who showed utter naivity because he evidently couldn't see through Sherwoods bullshit.

*In reality, Benteke kept us up. Akin to Suarez nearly convincing people Rodgers is a good manager.

[ktvillan]

Being Gareth Southgate's employer for a second time would be idiotic.

Aside from Hodge, he was the first player I can recall that openly displayed contempt for the club who was paying his wages at the time, the first of the new breed of modern professionals that tried to talk their way into a move via the backpages.

I didn't see it like that at all, still don't. As far as I remember he put in a transfer request after the 2000 cup final, the club refused it and he went on to have arguably his finest season for us. Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me but I don't recall any prolonged public agitating for a move, any defamatory stuff in the press, at the time he seemed to just knuckle down and get on with the job. It's easy to mock him joining Boro the following year, but to me that says more about Villa under Ellis than anything else. That an established England international and top six club captain should have deemed Boro more likely to meet his ambitions is a damning indictment of Ellis's parsimony. 

You should read Southgate's book, Woody and Nord, it gives quite an insight into Ellis's archaic approach and explains Southgate's frustrations. His desperation to see some ambition from Villa matched ours. He makes the same complaints we all used to.  There certainly isn't any contempt shown towards us.

As I said, I may have forgotten examples of him being Hodgelike, or maybe was never aware of them, but I always thought Southgate was an excellent player and intelligent captain who conducted himself very well.  There are plenty of players in our recent history who deserve loathing more than him.

Don't want him as manager though, he's crap at that.

My take too Chinchilla. I knew his dad when Southgate played for us and he utterly got the size of the Villa and what we were about. The fact that he joined Boro says more about about how we were being run and where we were headed - after all he won the league cup and played in a UEFA Cup final with them.

I categorically don't want him as a manager though. I couldn't give a shit about the "ex player knows the club cliche".

Thirded. If Southgate showed contempt for anything it was what Ellis had made of the club and the shackles he had put on it, not the club itself.  From my memory Southgate showed a great deal of respect for the club itself, its history and its traditions.  It was, as I recall,  frustration at the realisation that the potential would never be realised under Ellis that drove him and others to consider their future. It was a frustration shared and fully understood by myself and, I'd guess, thousands of others.   What is the point of a clarion call when you are pissing into the wind?  To bracket him with that snakeHodge is massively unfair.

That said he has displayed nothing in his short managerial career to suggest he would be any better than the last 3 losers we've had.

[aj2k77]

Funny to think that Southgates been managing for quite a few years now and he's still younger than tactics.

[kippaxvilla2]

Whenever I hear the stuff about someone being the man we want because he gets the club or is a Villa man, I think of Newcastle's laughable decision to appoint Alan Shearer.

Insanity.

Vic Crowe
Ron Atkinson
Brian Little
John Gregory

Surely a little bit of sanity?

[KevinGage]

Sorry, I am not going to row in behind the 'great pro' bullshit when we are discussing a player that expressed a desire to leave at least three times.

And it shouldn't need spelling out, but you really should expect better from your captain. 

Transfers happen, we know players get itchy feet and want to make as much as they can financially during what is a short career.

But there are ways of handling it, and he handled it appallingly. 

I never thought of him as anything other than a  7/10 centre half anyway. Could read the game reasonably well, but no great pace or strength, and not great in the air.

There is a reason why Liverpool, Arsenal, Yanited, Newcastle and any of the other sides who would have represented a step up from us at the time weren't interested.

[adrenachrome]

At least, after recent reports, we know that  there is some logic in TS's team selections. He has been selecting the the players he did not want in conditions and formations where they were most likely to fail. I suppose this is marginally better than him being madder than a box of frogs.

When a club is in permanent transition, or flux, then this type of thing is only to be expected. You attract fly by night, johnny come lately parvenus with an eye to the main chance.