Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[saunders_heroes]

Lerner more or less gave up on Villa over 5 years ago yet still fans defend him.

It's nothing to do with defending anyone, it's to do with understanding that you can't expect someone to take a hit of £50m every season.

Nor should he be expected to run Aston Villa like a lower league club either.

and he isn't, the finances irrefutably prove that so what is your point?

My point is that we're owned by a billionaire. A seriously cash rich man who bought a play thing and got bored very quickly indeed. Consequently our club is yet again in a relegation struggle.
I mean it's not like he hasn't got the money to get us out of this mess is it?

[joe_c]

Lerner more or less gave up on Villa over 5 years ago yet still fans defend him.

It's nothing to do with defending anyone, it's to do with understanding that you can't expect someone to take a hit of £50m every season.

Nor should he be expected to run Aston Villa like a lower league club either.

and he isn't, the finances irrefutably prove that so what is your point?

My point is that we're owned by a billionaire. A seriously cash rich man who bought a play thing and got bored very quickly indeed. Consequently our club is yet again in a relegation struggle.
I mean it's not like he hasn't got the money to get us out of this mess is it?

Translation: Spend more of your money on my hobby

[Villa in Denmark]

I'd like to know at what point s_h thinks it would have been reasonable for Lerner to stop throwing money down MON's drain.

How much money should he have kept pouring in?  Should have stopped with the average £50m p.a. when he was down to his last say £200M, £100M or to hell with it, let's have it all?  Then he can give the club away to some other poor sap to keep funding Habib Beye on £60K p.w. for 3 years type contracts.

[Jimbo]

What Lerner needed to do was spend his money more wisely and protect his investment. Jumping up and down on the trap door with rocks in your pockets is hardly going to attract a buyer.

[in exile]

I've got a horrible feeling he's not going anywhere

[Villa in Denmark]

What Lerner needed to do was spend his money more wisely and protect his investment. Jumping up and down on the trap door with rocks in your pockets is hardly going to attract a buyer.

He should have done that from day 1.  Then maybe the house would have been built on proper foundations instead of a yawning chasm with a trap door in the middle of it.

The money he's thrown into the Villa from the start, if utilised more sensibly would have kept us up at the business end of the table in a far more sustainable manor, negating the need for the horrors of the last 5 years.
If s_h curses the day Randy Lerner first heard of Aston Villa, I feel the same way about the day that Martin O'Neill typed B6 into his GPS.

I might be misinterpreting you, but are you saying he should have kept pouring money in whilst searching for a buyer?
In which case we'll have to disagree. A club that needs an injection of £50M p.a. just to stay around the top 6 with limited potential to improve is going to be less attractive to a club with it's finances in order and ready to start moving again.

As paul_e has pointed out, despite the utterly shit and desperate results over the last 4-5 years, the expenditure is still that of a mid table club.  We've still not been the using the money available well enough.  I hate having to use the word but, hopefully the new structures in place to ensure some form of continuity instead of rip it up and start again will lend some stability to the playing side.  That coupled with an even half decent coach should see us move in the right direction.

[Clark W Griswold]

Whichever way you look at it, Lerner has fucked the club up big time.

MON was better than anything since but that wouldn't exactly be hard. I was actually a tad disappointed with his tenure overall. I thought he would do better. The season he did very well was 07-08 (the first of the 6th place finishes) when we actually punched above our weight.

[saunders_heroes]

Lerner more or less gave up on Villa over 5 years ago yet still fans defend him.

It's nothing to do with defending anyone, it's to do with understanding that you can't expect someone to take a hit of £50m every season.

Nor should he be expected to run Aston Villa like a lower league club either.

and he isn't, the finances irrefutably prove that so what is your point?

My point is that we're owned by a billionaire. A seriously cash rich man who bought a play thing and got bored very quickly indeed. Consequently our club is yet again in a relegation struggle.
I mean it's not like he hasn't got the money to get us out of this mess is it?

Translation: Spend more of your money on my hobby

Or "his hobby" more importantly.

[olaftab]

"Tim Sherwood won't get relegated. I believe in myself and this team. If we're bottom at Christmas I won't panic."

No Tim there will be no need for you  to panic as hopefully you will be chiselling away from Villa Park somewhere.

[Jimbo]

What Lerner needed to do was spend his money more wisely and protect his investment. Jumping up and down on the trap door with rocks in your pockets is hardly going to attract a buyer.

He should have done that from day 1.  Then maybe the house would have been built on proper foundations instead of a yawning chasm with a trap door in the middle of it.

The money he's thrown into the Villa from the start, if utilised more sensibly would have kept us up at the business end of the table in a far more sustainable manor, negating the need for the horrors of the last 5 years.
If s_h curses the day Randy Lerner first heard of Aston Villa, I feel the same way about the day that Martin O'Neill typed B6 into his GPS.

I might be misinterpreting you, but are you saying he should have kept pouring money in whilst searching for a buyer?
In which case we'll have to disagree. A club that needs an injection of £50M p.a. just to stay around the top 6 with limited potential to improve is going to be less attractive to a club with it's finances in order and ready to start moving again.

As paul_e has pointed out, despite the utterly shit and desperate results over the last 4-5 years, the expenditure is still that of a mid table club.  We've still not been the using the money available well enough.  I hate having to use the word but, hopefully the new structures in place to ensure some form of continuity instead of rip it up and start again will lend some stability to the playing side.  That coupled with an even half decent coach should see us move in the right direction.

The amount he's spent doesn't matter so much as how he's spent it. Throwing money at Martin O'Neill, signing off ridiculous contracts for the likes of TSM1 and TSM2 (offering the latter a new contract after a handful of flukey results at the beginning of last season was utterly stupid). When I say protecting his investment, I mean managing it properly and spending according to its status. In other words, stop crossing your fingers and gambling with unproven staff, hoping they'll get you out of the mess you've created. It isn't working.   

[in exile]

When people refer to TSM 1 & 2, who are you referring to?

[Jimbo]

When people refer to TSM 1 & 2, who are you referring to?

The Scottish Manager 1 - A**x Mc****h
The Scottish Manager 2 - Thick P**l L*****t

[in exile]

Ah, now it's clear!
Thanks Jimbo

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Whatever O'Neill's mistakes I'd take him over any of the clueless muppets Lerner has employed since.
And O'Neill made some great signings as well as duff ones. Oh and he gave us a team that actually could compete in the PL as well. Remember those days?

I remember them well. The results were great, especially away but apart from a very short period (around the time we beat Everton 3-2 away) the football was generally disjointed and ugly. Hard to beat and just as hard to watch. He was basically a slightly more positive McLeish but with money. You just have to look at his spell at Sunderland to see that.

Somebody mentioned Tactics is the 8th best paid manager in the PL. It's worth noting once again we're paying two managers at the moment, Tactics and Lambert. If we can break this never ending habit and actually just pay one decent manager I'm sure both Lerner and ourselves will be more than happy. The next appointment will be the most important Lerner has ever made, assuming he still wants to sell the club at a decent price.

[Des Little]

Given the fact that Sherwood seems to have little influence whatsoever, why not sack him tonight and give the players free reign to play without fear and see what they can do tomorrow?  I'd bet it won't be any worse than trying to play to the demands of a bloke with 8 defeats in 9 or whatever it is.