Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[Hookeysmith]

Morning

Im suprised he aint gone yet , this club sometimes , oh well.

But i expect him gone soon.

If not , what worries me is this club definitely dont know what they are doing but i will wait until maybe middle of next week before I slag them off for being useless.

I was told hes out but just sorting out the new man but  if we spank swansea say 4 0 , I just aint got a clue what they do.

But im sure the club still want him gone .

I expect the dithering is down to Lerner/Fox knowing full well that if they sacked Sherwood finding a replacement would be a mammoth task considering the transfer/wage budget they'd offering the new man. While we are run on a relative shoestring we'll always have the same problem.

Not sure about this

Sherwood currently 8th highest paid manager in premiership on £2mil per year
Last 5 years transfer gross spend @ £123 mil with net @ £6.8 mil (12th highest in league)

is not to be sniffed at and hardly paints Lerner to be of "running the club into the ground" proportions

Remember this is a guy who has the club up for sale - he could easily of pocketed the Benteke money and even more so as 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' are using payment terms Grattons catalogue would be proud of but instead allowed Sherwood / Committee / whoever to spend a further £50 mil of his money

[Clampy]

Great comments from him this morning

''3 at the back worked well in phases against Stoke ''
''Joleon is in great form ''
"Tim Sherwood won't get relegated. I believe in myself and this team. If we're bottom at Christmas I won't panic."

It looks like these quotes were made up by someone on twitter.

That said it's worrying how believable they are.

Yeah looks like they were made up , yet easily believable 

He's got a point about the Stoke formation. When he took the extra defender off, we conceded.

As for Lescott being in great form, well that's nonsense.

[saunders_heroes]

Morning

Im suprised he aint gone yet , this club sometimes , oh well.

But i expect him gone soon.

If not , what worries me is this club definitely dont know what they are doing but i will wait until maybe middle of next week before I slag them off for being useless.

I was told hes out but just sorting out the new man but  if we spank swansea say 4 0 , I just aint got a clue what they do.

But im sure the club still want him gone .

I expect the dithering is down to Lerner/Fox knowing full well that if they sacked Sherwood finding a replacement would be a mammoth task considering the transfer/wage budget they'd offering the new man. While we are run on a relative shoestring we'll always have the same problem.

Not sure about this

Sherwood currently 8th highest paid manager in premiership on £2mil per year
Last 5 years transfer gross spend @ £123 mil with net @ £6.8 mil (12th highest in league)

is not to be sniffed at and hardly paints Lerner to be of "running the club into the ground" proportions

Remember this is a guy who has the club up for sale - he could easily of pocketed the Benteke money and even more so as 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' are using payment terms Grattons catalogue would be proud of but instead allowed Sherwood / Committee / whoever to spend a further £50 mil of his money

Oh please! Top managers won't go to a club that has a restricted wage structure/transfer policy no matter how much money you offer that man in wages. That's why we've spent the last 5-6 years employing rookie and has-beens. That's down to the chairman no matter how much you stick up for him.

[paul_e]

Morning

Im suprised he aint gone yet , this club sometimes , oh well.

But i expect him gone soon.

If not , what worries me is this club definitely dont know what they are doing but i will wait until maybe middle of next week before I slag them off for being useless.

I was told hes out but just sorting out the new man but  if we spank swansea say 4 0 , I just aint got a clue what they do.

But im sure the club still want him gone .

I expect the dithering is down to Lerner/Fox knowing full well that if they sacked Sherwood finding a replacement would be a mammoth task considering the transfer/wage budget they'd offering the new man. While we are run on a relative shoestring we'll always have the same problem.

Not sure about this

Sherwood currently 8th highest paid manager in premiership on £2mil per year
Last 5 years transfer gross spend @ £123 mil with net @ £6.8 mil (12th highest in league)

is not to be sniffed at and hardly paints Lerner to be of "running the club into the ground" proportions

Remember this is a guy who has the club up for sale - he could easily of pocketed the Benteke money and even more so as 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' are using payment terms Grattons catalogue would be proud of but instead allowed Sherwood / Committee / whoever to spend a further £50 mil of his money

Oh please! Top managers won't go to a club that has a restricted wage structure/transfer policy no matter how much money you offer that man in wages. That's why we've spent the last 5-6 years employing rookie and has-beens. That's down to the chairman no matter how much you stick up for him.

but that's also incorrect, the last available accounts (2013-14) saw as wage bill as 9th highest in the league, so the wages for the players, the manager and the transfer budget have all been mid-table during the period that you're claiming we've had no choice but to employ rookies and has-beens.

Now how the wages are being used is a point worth discussing, we've had too many high earners marginalised over that period so the value of the wage bill and how that relates to the usable first team squad is a point that is worthy of discussing but the claims of a restrictive wage bill or shoestring budget have never been true regardless of how oftent hey get repeated.

[saunders_heroes]

The chairman has spent the last 6 seasons or so trying to get rid of the high earner off the wage sheet and even go as far as banishing them to the reserves just because of what they earn, so please don't try and tell me it's nothing to do with wages.

[paul_e]

The chairman has spent the last 6 seasons or so trying to get rid of the high earner off the wage sheet and even go as far as banishing them to the reserves just because of what they earn, so please don't try and tell me it's nothing to do with wages.

Once again, and I'll make it really clear because you've struggled with this for a long time:

It's not that we have made huge cutbacks and are not spending money, the accounts don't lie, they show that we're operating as a midtable premier league club.  What is wrong is how that money has been used and because it's all tied up in contracts you have 2 options, you either muddle by whilst those contracts run down or you spend regardless.  The former causes the issues we've seen where running the business is difficult, the latter means you either go bust or you have to have huge amounts of cash injected.  What you've argued for years is that Randy should do the latter, which is a very easy stance to take when it's not your money.

[saunders_heroes]

The chairman has spent the last 6 seasons or so trying to get rid of the high earner off the wage sheet and even go as far as banishing them to the reserves just because of what they earn, so please don't try and tell me it's nothing to do with wages.

Once again, and I'll make it really clear because you've struggled with this for a long time:

It's not that we have made huge cutbacks and are not spending money, the accounts don't lie, they show that we're operating as a midtable premier league club.  What is wrong is how that money has been used and because it's all tied up in contracts you have 2 options, you either muddle by whilst those contracts run down or you spend regardless.  The former causes the issues we've seen where running the business is difficult, the latter means you either go bust or you have to have huge amounts of cash injected.  What you've argued for years is that Randy should do the latter, which is a very easy stance to take when it's not your money.

You must have had your head buried in the sand if you missed the fact that since O'Neill walked we've constantly sold our best players and replaced them with lower league rubbish and cheap foreigners. Wether you admit it or not this is the cause of our decline and it's clear and simple and it's called cost cutting.
By the way, nobody held a gun to Lerner's head and forced him to buy a football club. Stick up for him all you like, but I'll continue to blame him for the decline of Aston Villa 100%.

[Chris Jameson]

That's me.

Ha! Just read it on here and thought "that's paulie"! Excellent.

[Clampy]

We didn't win anything under O'Neil either.

[Toronto Villa]

SH it isn't the amount of money spent as it is how it was spent. That goes for both players and managers in the past few years. This summer for the first time it really felt as though the money was spent well. It doesn't matter that it came from player sales. What we should have done is gone out and bought a proper forward but even if we had done, if the manager cannot it utilize his resources well then it really doesn't matter. We could have bought Messi and Ronaldo but playing them at LB and centre half would amount to the same thing. Compounded is then the manager then going out of his way to say these aren't the players he wanted. All I can say to that is thank fuck he was overruled based on the players he did want.

[saunders_heroes]

We didn't win anything under O'Neil either.

Neither were we an embarrassment. We are now.

[joe_c]

Great comments from him this morning

''3 at the back worked well in phases against Stoke ''
''Joleon is in great form ''
"Tim Sherwood won't get relegated. I believe in myself and this team. If we're bottom at Christmas I won't panic."

Dear God, he's turned into an Estuary Alan Latchley. For the uninitiated, 10 minutes in.

[Toronto Villa]

Two managers in a row where press conferences and interviews are utterly bewildering and nonsensical. Is it really that difficult to find someone who doesn't spout complete bollocks and makes himself and the club to look like twats in the media?

[Dante Lavelli]

Based on the ranking mentioned above we are consistently underachieving:

Transfers = 12th
Wages = 9th
Manager's salary = 8th

With the transfers, we're penalised by the poor manager selections as we're constantly trying to re-invent our style with each new guy that comes in.  To stop this rot I'd prefer that we went down the Team Sky route and prioritise the coaching rather than the players' salaries.  In simple terms.  add £1.5m in player salaries and you're talking a negligible increase - probably 2%, whereas an extra £1.5m to the manager is - I dunno a 40-50% increase? - and crucially a package (£4m pa) that could attract one of the really top managers. 

Improve the players by 10% through decent management then, we would quickly become mid-table and subsequently receive more in transfer fees.  Add in Randy's propensity to spend more than he earn and, for a change, we could be on an upward trajectory.

[Clampy]

We didn't win anything under O'Neil either.

Neither were we an embarrassment. We are now.

But for all the money we spent, what did we actually do?