Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[brian green]

I agree with what you say TV about his need to wake up to the reality that it is not all about him. There are sure signs in his words and his actions that under the media veneer he has little or no regard for the club or its fans. The most we have ever been to him is a stepping stone to better and bigger things. The club should and must show an equally pragmatic and unsentimental attitude in return.

[Toronto Villa]

That transformation was largely down to the crucial goals from Benteke and Cleverly . Both long gone.

The transformation was down to attitude. Or are you suggesting Benteke and Cleverley weren't a part of the problem before Sherwood got to the club?

Some of the players rose to the challenge when it mattered in the run in , then quickly shut down again after the West Ham game

So ultimately what you are saying is that they performed when it mattered to keep us up. Good I'm happy about that.

[Toronto Villa]

I agree with what you say TV about his need to wake up to the reality that it is not all about him. There are sure signs in his words and his actions that under the media veneer he has little or no regard for the club or its fans. The most we have ever been to him is a stepping stone to better and bigger things. The club should and must show an equally pragmatic and unsentimental attitude in return.

He needs to realize Brian that we are the very biggest and best thing he will ever have. Something Martin O'Neill likely realized after a while having walked away from us.

[olaftab]

It's shocking how quickly Sherwood has started to look like Lambert, both on and off the pitch.

Yes he's even got rid of the gilet!

[Villa in Denmark]

I agree with what you say TV about his need to wake up to the reality that it is not all about him. There are sure signs in his words and his actions that under the media veneer he has little or no regard for the club or its fans. The most we have ever been to him is a stepping stone to better and bigger things. The club should and must show an equally pragmatic and unsentimental attitude in return.

How apt, that it's the end result of that attitude and lack of regard that has so completely exposed him for the useless chancer he is, thus ensuring we'll only be his stepping stone to the Sky Soccer Saturday studio.

[mr underhill]

Aston Villa have proved a managerial graveyard for both the experienced,  and inexperienced. Explain, and discuss, in no more than 500 words.

[olaftab]

Durham and Gough on TS were talking to a Villa fan about Sherwood. I thought Durham got it bang on when he said Sherwood lost his head. That Villa are a massive club and Sherwood needs to remind himself this isn't about him. That was in reference to the continued use of Tim Sherwood third person talk and the entire cringeworthy nonsense about we will be singing his name in 4 weeks. I have always found Adrian Durham very complimentary about us.

Yes Durham is a proper football fan first and broadcaster second.

[footyskillz]

I agree with what you say TV about his need to wake up to the reality that it is not all about him. There are sure signs in his words and his actions that under the media veneer he has little or no regard for the club or its fans. The most we have ever been to him is a stepping stone to better and bigger things. The club should and must show an equally pragmatic and unsentimental attitude in return.

How apt, that it's the end result of that attitude and lack of regard that has so completely exposed him for the useless chancer he is, thus ensuring we'll only be his stepping stone to the Sky Soccer Saturday studio.

He's just an English Roy Keane. A very decent player and captain but clueless on how to manage a club . Jobs like that are to big for former  captains they incorrectly tap into their captain to  player relationship rather than develop their manager - player relationship. They are frustrated ex players who haven't let go and are probably managing for the wrong reasons. Ego , personal glory and that's all they know.

[Villa in Denmark]

That's a pretty good summation.
The bit about motivation for taking the jobs and the (lack of) management of their relationships to the players could closer to the truth than we'd care to think about.

[brian green]

Footy there is either more than one of you or you are developing your communication skills very well. That is an excellent post.

[Toronto Villa]

Footy there is either more than one of you or you are developing your communication skills very well. That is an excellent post.

and he's gone and ruined it by suggesting Pearson as a replacement in the other Sherwood thread. But for fleeting moment...

[paul_e]

That's a pretty good summation.
The bit about motivation for taking the jobs and the (lack of) management of their relationships to the players could closer to the truth than we'd care to think about.

Agreed, it's about the smartest thing I've ever seen from Footyskillz and is likely absolutely spot on.  The odd thing is that the route he's taken into management is the correct one to stop that from happening but it seems like his ego hasn't been changed whilst he was a youth team coach.  It gives the impression that the training in the tottenham youth setup probably contained lots of mentions of his mate 'al' and how he captained a team to the title.

It's also why I get annoyed with the assumption that most decent players will be able to walk into management and be a success.  How many world class players have actually gone on to have a genuinely successful managerial career at a meaningful level?  I can honestly only think of a handful.

[Villa in Denmark]

If you look at who's been a successful manager in the PL over the last few years, I'd guess that Ferguson was the most successful player.
Mourinho, Wenger, Benitez, Houllier had no meaningful careers.
Peligrini had a reasonable career in domestic football in Chile.

My completely unscientific theory is that because the game didn't come ridiculously easy to them, they always had to try and think 2 steps ahead, which made them more aware of tactics and how to take advantage of space or compress space whereas you can quite easily imagine someone like Keane just getting pissed off with people who either "just can't see it" or "just can't do it."

Some of the worst teachers / lecturers / course leaders / bosses I've had have been the absolute cleverest from academic point of view, because they forget that a good chunk of people just aren't on their level, at least to start with.

[tomd2103]

Aston Villa have proved a managerial graveyard for both the experienced,  and inexperienced. Explain, and discuss, in no more than 500 words.

Which suggests the problem at the club runs deeper than whoever happens to be the manager.

[dave.woodhall]

Aston Villa have proved a managerial graveyard for both the experienced,  and inexperienced. Explain, and discuss, in no more than 500 words.

Which suggests the problem at the club runs deeper than whoever happens to be the manager.

We've often had a board who've been at odds with the manager. In my lifetime the only times I can remember both factions united were the third divison days up until 1977 and O'Neill's first few seasons. Other than that the chairmen have either thought they knew best or not been all that interested.