Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[PaulWinch again]

This extract alone,  from the Sutton article above proves that it is just the 'old boys network' sticking up for each.

In reality, its better suited to printing off and wiping your arse on.

'However good Grealish is going forward, he does not always put in a shift going back the other way.
    When you lose possession, you need to be compact and tight defensively and Villa have lacked that in the games I have seen, notably in their defeat by Leicester when they were hit on the counter-attack time and time again'.

So the defeat at leicester was down to Jack not putting a defensive shift in.
Nothing to do with the shite substitutions that decimated our midfield and allowed Leicester to rampage through the middle.   
Nothing to do with taking Gil off, and bringing Ayew on.
Nothing to do with SEEING we were being ripped to shreds and doing nothing to protect the back 4.

It was all Jacks fault !!!

Sutton, you are a poor a 'pundit' as you were a stiker for us !!

This is the problem with the article. I actually thinks he has a point that Grealish needed to offer more defensively. However the main reason we lost that game was Sherwood's inability to adapt to a change and then when he tried he made an absolute hash of it.

[CJ]

There's one line in that Sutton article which completely devalues anything else he has to say: "Villa have been fighting relegation for a few years now under several different managers so this season was never going to be any different." So no matter what you do with the squad, manager, tactics or training regime the fact that you've been in a relegation scrap for the last few seasons automatically means you'll be in another one this season. Thanks for that insight Chris.

[Sexual Ealing]

The other thing about Moyes is that he'll almost certainly insist on dismantling the new structure with Rielly et al. Taking us right back to the square marked '1' in terms of over all stability.

[Monty]

I'm torn on this, but on balance I think I'd probably have to agree with Monty too. Considering our current position, Moyes would clearly not be a bad appointment as such. He might make us a more solid proposition, more difficult to play against. But throughout his Everton reign, he did rely on a fairly settled core of British players who played in a fairly industrious, high octane fashion similar to O'Neill's sides. It worked well enough then, but I think the emphasis on physicality means there's a ceiling to what can be achieved by that approach. It burns players out more quickly, and might explain why Moyes' sides - again, like O'Neill's - tended to have one good half-season, and one rather indifferent one.

This article illustrates quite neatly the difference between Moyes' Everton, and Martinez's more Swansea-esque ethos:
http://statsbomb.com/2014/11/moyes-vs-martinez-which-everton-manager-has-been-better/

Fair enough, even a good half-season is better than what we're looking at right now. But I have to say, I don't think our current squad is at all suited to that approach, and suspect Moyes would struggle for a fair while, until he could seriously overhaul the squad with a core of British worker ants. And as we know, they come at a premium cost.

All things considered, I wouldn't be unhappy with Moyes, but I do think it would be a bit of a wasted opportunity. There are other, more progressive options out there, if only we deigned to consider them.

Very interesting article that, although it lets Martinez off the hook defensively. It's clear that Moyes organised a hell of a defence at Everton, and that this lingering feeling of organisation persisted under Martinez; when they started to lose that natural, practised defence Martinez clearly couldn't put it all back together. Moyes takes all the credit for that mean-as-hell backline, including for Martinez' first season.

However, I do indeed remember the infamous, endless, head-thuddingly stupid crossing at Man Utd, and I remember Everton having long periods where nothing would happen for them. I worry about that not working out short-term (people always assume that defence is the most important thing at the bottom of the league, but clearly whoever stays up is usually the team which scores the most goals), but also long-term I can see us getting bored and disgruntled.

[Chico Hamilton III]

I'd rather be in a position in 2 years time where I'm moaning at Moyes for" only" taking us to another mid table finish than be shitting myself about relegation for the 5th season in a row, or whatever it might be.

He might not be the best manager in the world, but we're not even the best team in the West Midlands at the moment, so I'd be happy to see him at Villa

[Rudy Can't Fail]

The other thing about Moyes is that he'll almost certainly insist on dismantling the new structure with Rielly et al. Taking us right back to the square marked '1' in terms of over all stability.

I wouldn't worry about it too much as I honestly don't think Moyes will want the job. From what I'm reading, he's loving his time in Spain and if they were to sack him, he'd be completely gutted and want/need to spend some time to reflect. I can't see him wanting to jump out of the frying pan into the fire.

If they don't sack him, there's no way he'll want to return to England.

[Toronto Villa]

The only way I see Sherwood now keeping his job is if he stops being so bloody cowardly going into games. I got the impression with Lambert that the players literally suffocated under the stress that he in large part brought on. There are good players at the club and he needs to start providing them with the same freedom as he brought last season. It was a remarkable transformation in a few weeks. We need that now. If tomorrow we set up to avoid defeat we'll be 2 or 3 down by HT. He may as well be fired right there and then.

[silhillvilla]

That transformation was largely down to the crucial goals from Benteke and Cleverly . Both long gone.

[SamTheMouse]

It's shocking how quickly Sherwood has started to look like Lambert, both on and off the pitch.

[john e]

The only way I see Sherwood now keeping his job is if he stops being so bloody cowardly going into games. I got the impression with Lambert that the players literally suffocated under the stress that he in large part brought on. There are good players at the club and he needs to start providing them with the same freedom as he brought last season. It was a remarkable transformation in a few weeks. We need that now. If tomorrow we set up to avoid defeat we'll be 2 or 3 down by HT. He may as well be fired right there and then.

I agree, he might as well go down having a go, instead of putting a team out to keep the score down

you never know there are plenty of problems at Chelsea at the moment, so if we took the game to them tomorrow it might just come off or we will lose by a big score again,
either way at least we will know where we stand

[aj2k77]

It's shocking how quickly Sherwood has started to look like Lambert, both on and off the pitch.

The effect of a big club on rookie managers.

[Toronto Villa]

That transformation was largely down to the crucial goals from Benteke and Cleverly . Both long gone.

The transformation was down to attitude. Or are you suggesting Benteke and Cleverley weren't a part of the problem before Sherwood got to the club?

[Toronto Villa]

Durham and Gough on TS were talking to a Villa fan about Sherwood. I thought Durham got it bang on when he said Sherwood lost his head. That Villa are a massive club and Sherwood needs to remind himself this isn't about him. That was in reference to the continued use of Tim Sherwood third person talk and the entire cringeworthy nonsense about we will be singing his name in 4 weeks. I have always found Adrian Durham very complimentary about us.

[silhillvilla]

That transformation was largely down to the crucial goals from Benteke and Cleverly . Both long gone.

The transformation was down to attitude. Or are you suggesting Benteke and Cleverley weren't a part of the problem before Sherwood got to the club?

Some of the players rose to the challenge when it mattered in the run in , then quickly shut down again after the West Ham game

[Tony Erdington]

if we can get Moyes in , then Randy must be in a coma, cuz the bloke (lerner) don't know his ear hole from his arse hole as far as footballs concerned.