Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[pauliewalnuts]

I am genuinely baffled how respected fellow fans could be even vaguely excited about Moyes. Just seems more of the same to me. Still differences of opinion and all that. If it was him obviously I would rally but right now I am having a hard time feeling the love. Anyone care to try and enthuse me or point out what I am missing?

Probably because he's proven quality in the PL, unlike most of the other muppets Lerner has employed since O'Neill walked. We're in a relegation battle and I'd be a tad more confident with Moyes in charge rather than Sherwood.

But surely being more confident with Moyes than Sherwood in itself isn't a reason to suggest Moyes as the man who should get the job?

I'd feel more confident with Ads back in charge than I would with Sherwood.

[Villa in Denmark]

I am genuinely baffled how respected fellow fans could be even vaguely excited about Moyes. Just seems more of the same to me. Still differences of opinion and all that. If it was him obviously I would rally but right now I am having a hard time feeling the love. Anyone care to try and enthuse me or point out what I am missing?

It's the thought of solid dependability and a couple of drama free seasons.  He's the Ronseal option.  It does what it says on the tin!  There's a lot to be said for it and I can understand why people would be that way inclined. I certainly wouldn't be crying if it was him. Despite his trials and tribulations in Salford and Sociedad, he's a solid manager who should provide some much needed stability and remove the stresses of seemingly constantly bouncing between 19th and 15th.

Someone like de Boer or Bielsa would be more of a risk, but could potentially by-pass the stage we'll inevitably reach under someone like Moyes where we'll consistently be finishing 10th and above but the football will be a bit dull and no signs of further progression.  At that stage we'll almost certainly start talking about needing a manager to "take us to the next level."

[saunders_heroes]

I am genuinely baffled how respected fellow fans could be even vaguely excited about Moyes. Just seems more of the same to me. Still differences of opinion and all that. If it was him obviously I would rally but right now I am having a hard time feeling the love. Anyone care to try and enthuse me or point out what I am missing?

Probably because he's proven quality in the PL, unlike most of the other muppets Lerner has employed since O'Neill walked. We're in a relegation battle and I'd be a tad more confident with Moyes in charge rather than Sherwood.

But surely being more confident with Moyes than Sherwood in itself isn't a reason to suggest Moyes as the man who should get the job?

I'd feel more confident with Ads back in charge than I would with Sherwood.

I've lost all confidence in Sherwood. Some of his tactics this season have been downright amateurish, so a change to Moyes (who at least looks like he knows what he's doing) would be more than welcome in my book.

[ciggiesnbeer]

Thanks both.

I guess I don't see the "safe pair of hands" in Moyes.

He managed to take a title winning squad and give them the worst home record since the 70's and their lowest points tally in the Premier league. I know there are not many records left after Lambert to break but christ , on evidence Moyes would give it a go. In Spain he has taken a 7th placed side to 12th and currently has dragged them down to 17th .

I am projecting here but assuming he stays true to form and takes our position down like he has his last two clubs then we are relegated.

[passitsideways]

Thanks both.

I guess I don't see the "safe pair of hands" in Moyes.

He managed to take a title winning squad and give them the worst home record since the 70's and their lowest points tally in the Premier league. I know there are not many records left after Lambert to break but christ , on evidence Moyes would give it a go. In Spain he has taken a 7th placed side to 12th and currently has dragged them down to 17th .

I am projecting here but assuming he stays true to form and takes our position down like he has his last two clubs then we are relegated.

That's about as logical as saying because he took Everton from 17th place or wherever they were when he first showed up to 6th and 7th constantly, he'd also take us to that spot from where we are now.

He didn't take Sociedad "from 7th" to 12th - they were near the relegation zone when he was appointed and he moved them away from it. He's had a dodgy start to this season but he had a reputation with Everton for being morbid in the first half and kicking on after the New Year, so I don't think you can make any definitive assessment at this point.

As for the United thing, it's a completely different scenario when it comes to managing a top club.

[ciggiesnbeer]

Thanks both.

I guess I don't see the "safe pair of hands" in Moyes.

He managed to take a title winning squad and give them the worst home record since the 70's and their lowest points tally in the Premier league. I know there are not many records left after Lambert to break but christ , on evidence Moyes would give it a go. In Spain he has taken a 7th placed side to 12th and currently has dragged them down to 17th .

I am projecting here but assuming he stays true to form and takes our position down like he has his last two clubs then we are relegated.

That's about as logical as saying because he took Everton from 17th place or wherever they were when he first showed up to 6th and 7th constantly, he'd also take us to that spot from where we are now.

He didn't take Sociedad "from 7th" to 12th - they were near the relegation zone when he was appointed and he moved them away from it. He's had a dodgy start to this season but he had a reputation with Everton for being morbid in the first half and kicking on after the New Year, so I don't think you can make any definitive assessment at this point.

As for the United thing, it's a completely different scenario when it comes to managing a top club.

I actually think that is a logical argument pro Moyes folks could and should make. It is a recent track record versus longer term track record thing. Obviously I go with his recent form and my skepticism about the current crop of all British managers. Fair correction on the 7th to 12th thing. He took them over when they were 15th and went up to 12th. Which is indeed up.

I think the United thing is completely fair to judge him on though. I would argue the Manu job he took over is a lot easier than the Villa job right now.

[villadelph]

Krulak needs to pipe down.

[passitsideways]

In a vacuum, maybe the United job was easier. But I think his track record suggests that getting a team out of the relegation positions is far more suited to his strengths as a manager, than contending for a CL spot. Those test pretty different parts of a manager's abilities (one is getting the team organised and pragmatic enough in deciding when to go for one and when to go for three points; the other is proactively seeking three points, almost game after game.)

[ciggiesnbeer]

In a vacuum, maybe the United job was easier. But I think his track record suggests that getting a team out of the relegation positions is far more suited to his strengths as a manager, than contending for a CL spot. Those test pretty different parts of a manager's abilities (one is getting the team organised and pragmatic enough in deciding when to go for one and when to go for three points; the other is proactively seeking three points, almost game after game.)

Fair point.

[mr underhill]

if Moyes came in now and we ended up in 12th I'd think we'd have qualified for the CL.

[villadelph]

In a vacuum, maybe the United job was easier. But I think his track record suggests that getting a team out of the relegation positions is far more suited to his strengths as a manager, than contending for a CL spot. Those test pretty different parts of a manager's abilities (one is getting the team organised and pragmatic enough in deciding when to go for one and when to go for three points; the other is proactively seeking three points, almost game after game.)

Fair point.

Totally different expectations and a whole other level of international scrutiny. It's a tough gig to just jump into and expect to succeed within a year no matter who is on the roster.
I loved watching them fail, but I still think Moyes is a good manager. I think he would fit the bill for us and our situation. He's a manager that stresses hard work and accountability. Our last few have just been the 'let's have' a go type. We need a higher standard, but also someone with the managerial capability to usher it.

[curlytailavfc]

Krulak needs to pipe down.

he only pops up when he likes then slithers away again

[brian green]

Fully agree villadelph. We must have a manager of substance. Somebody with respect earned in the game.  I stress in the game. Not bigged up by the media and cultivated journalist cronies. We have had a talented but sick man, we have had a decent but incompetent man, we have had a potentially good manager who for one reason or another failed to fulfil any expectations and appeared to suffer some sort of personal collapse with us, then we put the little lion flag on the top of the rickety record of managerial failure by taking a flyer with an unproven speak first, think later impulsive manager who appears to make all his decisions from his gut intuition not his brain.
For even the barest minimum of Premiership survival we must have a thinking, steady, respected man.

[Villan For Life]

Assuming he goes, we need to appoint someone who can revitalise the football operations at the Villa from top to bottom. Given the money that will pour into the club from next season if we stay up, the appointment is arguably the most important since Sir Graham arrived first time around.

It's concerning to read on here that our youth system is falling behind the set ups at Blues and Albion. Youngsters are going to our rivals because it is more enjoyable. We have first class facilities but the approach of the coaches seems to be wrong.

We do so many things right off the pitch that it makes the relative chaos on the pitch even more worrying.

I like Moyes and what he consistently achieved at Everton. I think that he was always going to fail at Old Trafford as Ferguson was a hard act to follow. He also inherited a squad that needed rebuilding and wasn't given enough time. I'd be happy if he were to end up at Villa Park.

[Ads]

I am genuinely baffled how respected fellow fans could be even vaguely excited about Moyes. Just seems more of the same to me. Still differences of opinion and all that. If it was him obviously I would rally but right now I am having a hard time feeling the love. Anyone care to try and enthuse me or point out what I am missing?

Probably because he's proven quality in the PL, unlike most of the other muppets Lerner has employed since O'Neill walked. We're in a relegation battle and I'd be a tad more confident with Moyes in charge rather than Sherwood.

This is it.

Its not just about him knowing the league, but actually doing well in it. He finished higher with Everton, having spent a hell of a lot less, than we have managed in 19 years.

You can talk about functional football all you like, but I always thought Everton tended to outplay us under O'Neill, even when we did get the upper hand and that functional football [often without a striker!] had them finishing 4th, 5th and 6th more often than not.