Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[Dave]

But he is another Lambert. Half a dozen managerial jobs and has only excelled at one club in my opinion. Same as Lambert.

Didn't Lambert excel at Wycombe, Colchester and Norwich?

[four fornicholl]

Can the two Sherwood threads be merged?
One has a poll, but otherwise aren't they pretty much the same?

I was thinking that a few days ago - but I think both have gone too far now.

If we merge them then it'll arrange the whole thing chronologically. So a quick reply on one thread might now have four other arguments about a result or (more likely) a fish based punathon interspersed.

So I reckon they're probably best left separate at this stage.

oh so it was you

What was?

shifting my private hell

[Risso]

But he is another Lambert. Half a dozen managerial jobs and has only excelled at one club in my opinion. Same as Lambert.

Didn't Lambert excel at Wycombe, Colchester and Norwich?

Not really.  One season at Colchester, when they finished mid table.

[Steve67]

Who would want the job other than those currently out of work? Sure, plenty of up and comers but that has been tried before and got us nowhere. Villa need to act big if they want to be big/improve dramatically.

Luckily there are lots of good mangers out of work at the moment.  Bielsa, Prandelli and even Rodgers were way beyond what we could have imagined when we appointed Sherwood. 

I guess this is the problem. Two of those named would be a risk due to no premiership experience and the other might either not fancy Villa or, potentially, not be as good as we think he is. I can see how tough this is for Tom Fox, if he is thinking of sacking Sherwood. Sean Dyche, Mark Hughes, Gary Monk, Steve Bruce, David Moyes? God knows.

[Damo70]

But he is another Lambert. Half a dozen managerial jobs and has only excelled at one club in my opinion. Same as Lambert.

Didn't Lambert excel at Wycombe, Colchester and Norwich?

He excelled at Norwich but his record at Wycombe and Colchester was average and his record at Livingston was twice as bad as his record at Villa. Which, with respect is some f***ing achievement.

[Dave]

Can the two Sherwood threads be merged?
One has a poll, but otherwise aren't they pretty much the same?

I was thinking that a few days ago - but I think both have gone too far now.

If we merge them then it'll arrange the whole thing chronologically. So a quick reply on one thread might now have four other arguments about a result or (more likely) a fish based punathon interspersed.

So I reckon they're probably best left separate at this stage.

oh so it was you

What was?

shifting my private hell

Yes. It fits perfectly well in the thread that it was merged into. Is that an issue? You're hardly being silenced. It's there for people to see and reply to if they want.

[four fornicholl]

Can the two Sherwood threads be merged?
One has a poll, but otherwise aren't they pretty much the same?

I was thinking that a few days ago - but I think both have gone too far now.

If we merge them then it'll arrange the whole thing chronologically. So a quick reply on one thread might now have four other arguments about a result or (more likely) a fish based punathon interspersed.

So I reckon they're probably best left separate at this stage.

oh so it was you

What was?

shifting my private hell

Yes. It fits perfectly well in the thread that it was merged into. Is that an issue? You're hardly being silenced. It's there for people to see and reply to if they want.

ok

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Who would want the job other than those currently out of work? Sure, plenty of up and comers but that has been tried before and got us nowhere. Villa need to act big if they want to be big/improve dramatically.

Luckily there are lots of good mangers out of work at the moment.  Bielsa, Prandelli and even Rodgers were way beyond what we could have imagined when we appointed Sherwood. 

Can you imagine the immediate impact of  Prandelli arriving at Villa Park. There was a few of us that wanted him to replace Lambert. Whether he would have kept us up was another matter but he's certainly somebody that if brought in now could actually do something this season, get the players we have working as a team and put in the solid foundations for the future.

It's only a matter of time before we replace Sherwood. I'm treating this 'next two games' story with a the contempt it deserves. Our problem is not finding a goalscorer, we've had a few good ones over the last 15 years. What we haven't had is a 21st Century Manager.

It's about time we embraced the present and look to the future. It's been too ugly for far too long.

[passitsideways]

For the last couple of years net spend has been less of a problem than the quality of management and coaching.

I'm not too unhappy with the business done this summer, allthough it could have been better. For a club that only narrowly escaped relegation last season and subsequently lost its two best players, I would probably have expected less risky signings (ie, unspectacular but proven PL-standard players as opposed to more adventurous signings that may or may not adapt to the league).

I think you can cast doubt with proven PL-standard players argument once you consider that QPR and Hull who did get relegated signed plenty of them. QPR signed Fer, Rio, Caulker, Sandro and Mutch; Hull signed Snodgrass (albeit he was injured), two Spurs rejects in Livermore and Dawson, and Diame.

I've been saying for a while you can prove whatever point you want by selecting players or managers that back up your point of view and ignoring the ones that don't

Sure, but who's offering examples that show the contrary? I'm simply seeking to make the point that signing PL experience shouldn't be treated as a mantra worth following again and again whenever you're flirting with relegation. The fact that I've cherry-picked some examples is fine for going to that point; it'd be less convincing if I was trying to say something like we should definitely ignore PL experience (which I guess I sorta made out like I was saying initially, but I went overboard with it - it's more that I don't want it to overtake thinking).

[Malandro]

Can the two Sherwood threads be merged?
One has a poll, but otherwise aren't they pretty much the same?

I was thinking that a few days ago - but I think both have gone too far now.

If we merge them then it'll arrange the whole thing chronologically. So a quick reply on one thread might now have four other arguments about a result or (more likely) a fish based punathon interspersed.

So I reckon they're probably best left separate at this stage.

oh so it was you

What was?

shifting my private hell

Yes. It fits perfectly well in the thread that it was merged into. Is that an issue? You're hardly being silenced. It's there for people to see and reply to if they want.

ok

not so private

[Dave]

But he is another Lambert. Half a dozen managerial jobs and has only excelled at one club in my opinion. Same as Lambert.

Didn't Lambert excel at Wycombe, Colchester and Norwich?

Not really.  One season at Colchester, when they finished mid table.

That's not really the whole story though. He took over in that season when they were second from bottom, and he took them to mid-table. They then beat Norwich 7-1 at the start of the following season and Norwich decided he was going to be their manager. He achieved everything that could realistically be expected of him during his time there.

As for Wycombe (Damo's point), he took them to a Cup semi-final which doesn't happen very often (even if they didn't have to do much particularly spectacular en route).

They are definitely points on his CV that shouldn't be relegated to the equivalent of Rodgers messing up at Reading.

[four fornicholl]

Can the two Sherwood threads be merged?
One has a poll, but otherwise aren't they pretty much the same?

I was thinking that a few days ago - but I think both have gone too far now.

If we merge them then it'll arrange the whole thing chronologically. So a quick reply on one thread might now have four other arguments about a result or (more likely) a fish based punathon interspersed.

So I reckon they're probably best left separate at this stage.

oh so it was you

What was?

shifting my private hell

Yes. It fits perfectly well in the thread that it was merged into. Is that an issue? You're hardly being silenced. It's there for people to see and reply to if they want.

ok

not so private

agreed but aren't we all

[PaulWinch again]

But he is another Lambert. Half a dozen managerial jobs and has only excelled at one club in my opinion. Same as Lambert.

Didn't Lambert excel at Wycombe, Colchester and Norwich?

Not really.  One season at Colchester, when they finished mid table.

I think Lambert did pretty poorly with us, but he did excel at Norwich by anyone's standards.

[KevinGage]

I can't imagine what kind of good the two game story is going to do for either Sherwoods or team morale.  On that basis alone why prolong the inevitable.

Seems like it is a riposte to Sherwood making it known/ lying via back channels about most of our signings not being his choice.

The timing would indicate that anyroad.

[claret and blue blood]

Maybe the body language shown by Sherwood and the coaches against Stoke was a result of some ultimatum ?