Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[russon]

He quite clearly doesn't like Sanchez. He hardly used him last year when we had Cleverley, and for some unfathomable reason he seems to think that Ashley "the most average footballer of all time" Westwood is the answer.

The whole side is completely unbalanced with no discernible plan.

With all due respect Risso that's just rot. We're equally as crap on the right as we are on the left and pathetic through the middle for good measure. As for discernible plans, I have one. Why not emulate Sunderland fans' supply of garlands to Mrs Advocaat by festooning Sherwood's missus with foliage and hey presto, he'll be offski within a matter of weeks. Or perhaps that's too long to wait?

[olaftab]

Randy and Roman should do a swap manager deal

Oh yes like the millionaire in an ordinary home deal?

[silhillvilla]

Swansea at home is this year's Bolton.

Indeed , an impressive 6 months ahead of schedule .

[lovejoy]

I normally err on the side of caution. My natural inclination is to give them time (see years worth of comments re Houllier, TSM1 and TSM2.

I can't do it this time. There are no signs of light at the end of the tunnel.

I can take them looking terrible to start and gradually improving. I can't take us getting progressively worse and that is where we are currently.

With each passing game we get worse. Whether that be in the starting 11 or conviction in attack. If there were signs of a turnaround just round the corner I would back him. But there aren't.

Even when you look at a game and take some positives from it, he doesn't use those to his advantage to find the winning formula. He bins them in the hope of completely changing what went wrong.

He is out of his depth and, if we give him another month, are giving ourselves a mountain to climb to get out of it.

To be like Sugar with an Apprentice sacking:

"Tim, I wanted it to work. I really did. But, as the process has gone on, it is clear this is just too much for you. Thanks for keeping us up and I will watch your career in future with interest. But it is not your time. With regret, Tim, You're Fired".

Absolutely spot on. I too backed Lambert until almost the end. This chancer needs to go now before it's too late. Wait until Christmas and we'll have gone.

[Dante Lavelli]

I too have given up on Sherwood way sooner than I did for Lambert.  I think his biggest fault is the randomness of his formation and tactics.    The chopping and changing must be a nightmare for the players.

[silhillvilla]

Really disappointed in the back room team who are either just nodding and going along with the crazy approach or actually agree with it.

[Gareth]

So...it seems Tim Sherwood doesn't know Tim Sherwoods best team so what would we all go with?

I was in favour of wing backs but Saturday reminded me how dreadfully negative a formation it is when the inevitable happens and 3 becomes 5 at the back with lots of marking of fresh air.

Think we have to concentrate on 4-2-3-1 now and for a manager & backroom staff packed with good quality centre mids it is absolutely essential that the 2 in front of back 4 are strong, fit & capable of playing the role...novelty of tracking runners :-)

                         Guzan

Hutton     Richards     Clark       Amavi

                 Sanchez       Gana
      Veretout      Traore       Ayew

                       Gestede

Subs; Bunn, Okore, Lescott, Gardner, Gil, Greaish, Gabby

Guzan needs genuine competition, not sure Bunn was bought to play & it shows in Guzans performances (though his handling was better on Sat)
Hutton or Bacuna at RB is tomato tomaytoe - can Ilori or Crespo play RB?
Clark over Okore but no Lescott
Westwood get the reward his form deserves....a seat in the stand
Sanchez & Gana holding - Gardner on bench to replace Sanchez after an hour...need him to step up and show that he can play that role after 6 months doing it at Forest.
Traore in the '10' role - direct at goal driving and dribbling through the centre - Grealish or Gil not done enough to justify next chance
Ayew in the attacking three - give him a chance, Gabby there on bench to come on and run the channels (not threaten the goal obv) but he is an attacker who does his work going backwards which is something Sinclair / Grealish / Gil don't do properly.

[silhillvilla]

Keep it simple stupid

442

----------- Guzan -----------

Richards. Okore Clark Amavi

Traore Sanchez Gana Grealish

--- Agbonlahor -- Sinclair -----

[Duncan Shaw]

I've just read an article on the Beeb and Stffan Effenberg has quoted Klopp as telling him "'I'm ready for a team that's not on the highest level, to create something, to build something up"
Clearly he's not interested in the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' and is waiting for Timmy to get the bullet at B6!

[OCD]

Just to add to the tangent, normally I would say give a manager time but this one's lost it. He's not a clue what he's doing and he's scared and lacks the experience to know what the best course of action is. Someone with experience would have got a lot more points on the board from this run of fixtures. I think there's some good talent in the squad but it's lacking someone who knows what to do with it and how to put it together.

His post match comments about needing to keep making changes until he finds the right formula...it's the complete opposite of what he should be doing. He should have set-up the same way (4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3), with the same tactics (on the front foot, looking to attack teams) and mostly the same players (the one's who have settled the fastest). It might not have immediately seen results but by playing a settled team with the above ingredients, it would have clicked faster and we would have won more games.

[Sexual Ealing]

On the BBC interview, when asked about the Stoke goal, he just sort of shook his body and at once looked pissed off/clueless/arrogant/out of his depth. He is, as Roy Keane might say, a bluffer.

[Des Little]

On the BBC interview, when asked about the Stoke goal, he just sort of shook his body and at once looked pissed off/clueless/arrogant/out of his depth. He is, as Roy Keane might say, a bluffer.

It's arrogance and it winds me up. He acts like Mourinho but he hasn't earned the right to be so conceited. If he showed a bit more humility then the fans may a bit more patient than perhaps we are. When he's won leagues/cups and proved himself capable, he can act how he likes (to a degree), but right now he looks to all the world like a bullshitter who's being found out.

[Sexual Ealing]

On the BBC interview, when asked about the Stoke goal, he just sort of shook his body and at once looked pissed off/clueless/arrogant/out of his depth. He is, as Roy Keane might say, a bluffer.

It's arrogance and it winds me up. He acts like Mourinho but he hasn't earned the right to be so conceited. If he showed a bit more humility then the fans may a bit more patient than perhaps we are. When he's won leagues/cups and proved himself capable, he can act how he likes (to a degree), but right now he looks to all the world like a bullshitter who's being found out.

Indeed. Less like Mourinho than a truculent David Brent the second before he repents and begs not to be sacked.

[brontebilly]

So...it seems Tim Sherwood doesn't know Tim Sherwoods best team so what would we all go with?

I was in favour of wing backs but Saturday reminded me how dreadfully negative a formation it is when the inevitable happens and 3 becomes 5 at the back with lots of marking of fresh air.

Think we have to concentrate on 4-2-3-1 now and for a manager & backroom staff packed with good quality centre mids it is absolutely essential that the 2 in front of back 4 are strong, fit & capable of playing the role...novelty of tracking runners :-)

                         Guzan

Hutton     Richards     Clark       Amavi

                 Sanchez       Gana
      Veretout      Traore       Ayew

                       Gestede

Subs; Bunn, Okore, Lescott, Gardner, Gil, Greaish, Gabby

Guzan needs genuine competition, not sure Bunn was bought to play & it shows in Guzans performances (though his handling was better on Sat)
Hutton or Bacuna at RB is tomato tomaytoe - can Ilori or Crespo play RB?
Clark over Okore but no Lescott
Westwood get the reward his form deserves....a seat in the stand
Sanchez & Gana holding - Gardner on bench to replace Sanchez after an hour...need him to step up and show that he can play that role after 6 months doing it at Forest.
Traore in the '10' role - direct at goal driving and dribbling through the centre - Grealish or Gil not done enough to justify next chance
Ayew in the attacking three - give him a chance, Gabby there on bench to come on and run the channels (not threaten the goal obv) but he is an attacker who does his work going backwards which is something Sinclair / Grealish / Gil don't do properly.

As much as Richards was our best player on Saturday, I dont think we will ever have a solid defence with him at centre half.

He is just too kamikaze back there and has to take responsibility as captain for organising the back four which he has been abject at.

Would agree with moving him to right back and getting the Okore/Clark partnership back.

Harsh on Hutton but we will be hammered against better teams if the present defensive structure continues.

Think we need two sitting midfielders until such time as the defence beds down - agree on Sanchez and Gana.

As for the others, none of them are making a case for a regular position.

Ayew maybe for a couple of games up top by himself, with maybe an interchangeable trio of Veretout, Gil/Grealish and Traore/Gabby maybe

All fart and no shit would sum up their collective efforts thus far but we dont have crossers in the team so Gestede should only be a sub

But its all academic if the management isnt changed

[tomd2103]

I normally err on the side of caution. My natural inclination is to give them time (see years worth of comments re Houllier, TSM1 and TSM2.

I can't do it this time. There are no signs of light at the end of the tunnel.

I can take them looking terrible to start and gradually improving. I can't take us getting progressively worse and that is where we are currently.

With each passing game we get worse. Whether that be in the starting 11 or conviction in attack. If there were signs of a turnaround just round the corner I would back him. But there aren't.

Even when you look at a game and take some positives from it, he doesn't use those to his advantage to find the winning formula. He bins them in the hope of completely changing what went wrong.

He is out of his depth and, if we give him another month, are giving ourselves a mountain to climb to get out of it.

To be like Sugar with an Apprentice sacking:

"Tim, I wanted it to work. I really did. But, as the process has gone on, it is clear this is just too much for you. Thanks for keeping us up and I will watch your career in future with interest. But it is not your time. With regret, Tim, You're Fired".

Absolutely spot on. I too back Lambert until almost the end. This chancer needs to go now before it's too later. Wait until Christmas and we'll have gone.

I fear we will be significantly adrift after the next five games.  If we lose all five, and those above us pick up a win here and there, we could be looking at a ten point gap.