Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[Chris Smith]

Chris, sorry that's just not true. What regular dismissals are you referring to? He was fired at Blackburn and Newcastle. He left Bolton and his contract not extended at West Ham. Where has he not tried to integrate skill players? He's had several at the clubs he's had. Not like he cast any of them aside. That he'll be divisive for fans goes saying and whether you like his football or not is opinion. But other two things simply don't add up.

His last three jobs he has either been sacked (Newcastle, Blackburn) or nor had his contract renewed (West Ham), i.e. in each case the club no longer wanted him.

How much did it look like any of those were going down when he left? What happened to Blackburn and Newcastle after he left? And how many times has Pardew been sacked in the same time period?

I'd prefer not to have Allardyce, but am not going to try and skew things just to suit that.

I am not skewing anything, for whatever reason his last 3 clubs wanted rid of him. He's a divisive figure and I am sure that applies to his bosses and players as much as it does to the supporters. One thing that particularly grates with me is if his team wins then he puts it down to the work he has done if they lose then it is all the players.

We don't have a vacancy at the moment but if and when we do I want us to set our sights higher.

[supertom]

...Any self respecting manager with PL experience would see us as a toxic option at the moment.

This is kind of where I am at the moment

Yes, which is another problem.

That said, Big Sam strikes me as someone who champs at the bit between jobs. If Sherwood went tomorrow, we'd be the biggest gig going. He'd possibly take the punt. He also may fancy having a Chairman who seems to have piss all interest in the club, and very little will to interfere. That might be heaven after working with the likes of Ashley, the Chicken farmers and Porno Dwarf.

[saunders_heroes]

Claudio Ranieri has been sacked/left by mutual consent from about his last 8 jobs, he's doing OK at the moment.

y

He doesn't come with the stigma of god awful anti-football though.

[PeterWithesShin]

It comes across as you are though as you didn't answer any of the 3 questions I asked, but instead just keep mentioning he left 3 clubs.

[Ger Regan]

I am not skewing anything, for whatever reason his last 3 clubs wanted rid of him. He's a divisive figure and I am sure that applies to his bosses and players as much as it does to the supporters. One thing that particularly grates with me is if his team wins then he puts it down to the work he has done if they lose then it is all the players.

We don't have a vacancy at the moment but if and when we do I want us to set our sights higher.

So much of the above could be attributed to Sherwood. The only difference I see is that he's got a track record of getting results and seems tactically clued-in (whether you like his tactics or not, he always seemed to have a plan and it was often effective), unlike our current manager.

[kippaxvilla2]

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/club/aston-villa/362/blog/post/2647146/sherwood-not-helping-himself-at-villa

[PeterWithesShin]

For me, the biggest thing against Sherwood is he's now been here since Feb, and doesn't seem to have any idea of the system he wants us to play. That's a woeful situation to be in, even McLeish and Lambert had a system they wanted us playing (no matter how shit it was) so the players could train all week etc to get used to it. We just seem to be winging it every week.

At the very least, know what the fuck you want your squad to be trying to do.

[supertom]

Claudio Ranieri has been sacked/left by mutual consent from about his last 8 jobs, he's doing OK at the moment.

y

He doesn't come with the stigma of god awful anti-football though.

It's early days too. Leicester may struggle yet.
That said I'd still take him over Sherwood.

[Clampy]

Would people be clamoring for Allardyce if he was still in a job or is it just because he's available?

[walsall villain]

For me, the biggest thing against Sherwood is he's now been here since Feb, and doesn't seem to have any idea of the system he wants us to play. That's a woeful situation to be in, even McLeish and Lambert had a system they wanted us playing (no matter how shit it was) so the players could train all week etc to get used to it. We just seem to be winging it every week.

At the very least, know what the fuck you want your squad to be trying to do.

Spot on, has anybody got a clue what his preferred system is? The manager needs to have a plan and install confidence in the team that that plan will work, we have two plans each match which demonstrates his lack of experience and self belief.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Paddy Reilly must be a little twitchy right now having recommended Sherwood. I can't see Fox being the patient type so who will he turn to if he decides Sherwood has to go?

Our current problem goes back to May 2014, when despite Faulkner's recommendation to Lerner, he refused to sack Lambert. We'd have had a larger pool to select from but instead we stupidly thought we could give him more time and then we are stuck with a choice that begins and ends with Sherwood. Why Fox thought it necessary to give him a 4 year contract I have no idea. I'd imagine he will give Sherwood more time but I'm sure he knows he's hired a dud. He no doubt will want to do his research on potential replacements but I wonder will he give that job to Paddy Reilly.

[PeterWithesShin]

Would people be clamoring for Allardyce if he was still in a job or is it just because he's available?

Virtually no one is clamouring for him, just pointing out that as things stand, he'd be better than what we currently have and would probably keep us up. Which shows how shit we are at present.

[Dave]

Chris, sorry that's just not true. What regular dismissals are you referring to? He was fired at Blackburn and Newcastle. He left Bolton and his contract not extended at West Ham. Where has he not tried to integrate skill players? He's had several at the clubs he's had. Not like he cast any of them aside. That he'll be divisive for fans goes saying and whether you like his football or not is opinion. But other two things simply don't add up.

His last three jobs he has either been sacked (Newcastle, Blackburn) or nor had his contract renewed (West Ham), i.e. in each case the club no longer wanted him.

How much did it look like any of those were going down when he left? What happened to Blackburn and Newcastle after he left? And how many times has Pardew been sacked in the same time period?

I'd prefer not to have Allardyce, but am not going to try and skew things just to suit that.

I am not skewing anything, for whatever reason his last 3 clubs wanted rid of him. He's a divisive figure and I am sure that applies to his bosses and players as much as it does to the supporters. One thing that particularly grates with me is if his team wins then he puts it down to the work he has done if they lose then it is all the players.

We don't have a vacancy at the moment but if and when we do I want us to set our sights higher.

Well when we last had a vacancy we set our sights as low as they could possibly go, so we're working on an upward trajectory whatever we do.

[supertom]

Would people be clamoring for Allardyce if he was still in a job or is it just because he's available?

Virtually no one is clamouring for him, just pointing out that as things stand, he'd be better than what we currently have and would probably keep us up. Which shows how shit we are at present.

Exactly. And also because it would be unlikely, were Sherwood to be given the sack soon, that we'd be looking anywhere else other than out of work managers.
Effectively, if we had a vacant position right now, then Big Sam would be the best option to fill it. It's a little bit sad, a little bit depressing, but at the same time I'd feel a lot more confident about staying up.

[silhillvilla]

Scary to see 20% Aren't pro the sack