Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[brian green]

It is the endless roll-the-dice mentality that has engulfed the club since the departure of Ellis. Nothing has been properly thought through, not even the MON years of buying top six finishes. In the MON era we went from profligacy to penniless in one catastrophic stroke. Since then we have lurched from one gamble with the future of the club to another and each throw of the dice being for higher and higher stakes.

Faulkner, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Fox, Sherwood all employed regardless of massive potential shortcomings in the hope that the gods would smile on us.  Except there are no gods, it  stands or falls on intelligence, planning and preparation.  The cave man who picked up a bone and used it as a club ruled the tribe, not the one who worshipped a holy mountain.

And that is where we find ourselves now with a manager hoping for some magic on the pitch to simply manifest itself.  After all these years and the hundreds of millions of pounds spent we are left hoping the spirit of Pongo Waring will enter the body of Rudy Gestede.

[preston28]

We need to get rid and appoint a manager who can get us out of the championship. The squad we have got is at best an average championship one not a premier league one. Sherwood won't keep up us nor get us promoted - if we keep him we will 'do a Wigan' & end up in league 1. We have gone back to the mid-late 1960's under Lerner.

Who we would appoint to get us out of this hole I have no idea as I doubt many with any nouse would take the job on under Lerner's terms & conditions. That's why we repeatedly appoint no hopers.

[john e]

I can't understand why any football loving person would actually want Alardyce as Villa manager,
The thing is with big Sam is you know exactly what your getting, Tripe, week in week out utter tripe, but hey he'l keep you in the prem playing tripe e very week

I know it's been the same with Lambert and Sherwood but at least they came in promising jam tomorrow, Alardyce just promises tripe and that's what you get,
Why would anyone want to go and watch that shit every week, you know the shit that Newcastle and West Ham fans couldn't put up with because it was so crap,

I know we are a starving man but signing up for a diet of gruel every day doesn't fill me with any enthusiasm, I don't know why anyone sees it as a rational option for Aston Villa

I admit I'm shit scared of Alardyce as Villa manager, absolutely cracking my pants of having that fucking anti football man at the helm at Villa, we would certainly have hit rock bottom with that sort of surrender of every football principal at the club,

If he was the manager I wouldn't care less if we stayed up or went down because the football would be predictably crap so what would be the point,
If you don't like Chinese food you don't go to a Chinese restaurant, I don't like Alardyce football i hate it, it offers nothing only maybe some sort of sudo safety

For those saying well that's what we've got now I agree, but it doesn't mean we should accept that crap,
We need to keep some hope of bread and roses

for anyone in any doubt, I don't like the bloke

[olaftab]

Klopp did say he wanted a challenge.

Well come on down mate, winning three on the spin would equal anything you did at Dortmund.

Let's not set the bar too high I will be happy with Klopp winning two on the trot!

[Ian.]

Klopp did say he wanted a challenge.

Well come on down mate, winning three on the spin would equal anything you did at Dortmund.

Let's not set the bar too high I will be happy with Klopp winning two on the trot!

Two in a month would suffice.

[aj2k77]

Who does Tom Fox turn to when he needs advice ? Would it be our new DoF ?

Tom Fox, a commercial officer, appointed above and beyond his means in another typical Lerner appointment. He is basically running the club and has no experience of it, likewise dim Tim has no experience of managing a team.

The two most important positions in the club and neither have any real experience and are learning, slowly, on the job.

[cheltenhamlion]

We are doomed if we keep Sherwood any longer. Hopelessly out of his depth. We desperately need knowhow and some stability.

[Ormy Droid]

Saunders, Taylor, O'Neill...None of them were particularly averse to the industrious side of football, the only difference being that they had a superior playing staff. The way some people are talking on here, Villa have been operating a 'principled' total football philosophy for the last forty years, which is (sadly) a load of bolllox.

[silhillvilla]

Wonder what sherwoods contract says about being in the bottom 3 and if there are release clauses with minimal pay off ?
It was interesting with Lambert that we put up with weeks , months, years of diatribe but as soon as we went bottom 3 he was sacked.

[rob_bridge]

His rabble rousing was what was needed to wake the club up especially against The Bitters twice and then 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.

The Southamoton game rang serious alarm bells. And the ringing has got louder

[olaftab]

It does again highlight the ludicrousness of footballs seemingly endless propensity for appointing people to senior positions without the required experience.   Imagine if I rocked up to Lloyd House at the age of 45 applying for a job as Chief Inspector, getting it, then watching the crime figures in my area go through the roof.  And then blaming it on having a lot of younger officers getting used to the conditions having been recruited from the Jean D'armerie.

There is no worry there because once you realise crime figures are going against you you will use the stats available in a different way to show the immense improvement you have made since your appointment.
What's important is that people appointing you would make sure that you have the right credentials for the job and your track record gives a very good indication that you will deliver on your appointment and not select you because your get on very well with the Super or are in the same club as the Commander!

[silhillvilla]

Re Sherwood and Premier League Management, it's the equivalent of me bowling into Aston Uni and giving a lecture on advanced nuclear physics . I'd kick off by drawing the blinds and switching on the lights, rearranging the furniture , go through the fire drill process, wipe the board, try and get the OHP to work, open the blinds , turn off the lights , then the bell sounds, lesson over.

[Risso]

I can't understand why any football loving person would actually want Alardyce as Villa manager,
The thing is with big Sam is you know exactly what your getting, Tripe, week in week out utter tripe, but hey he'l keep you in the prem playing tripe e very week

I know it's been the same with Lambert and Sherwood but at least they came in promising jam tomorrow, Alardyce just promises tripe and that's what you get,
Why would anyone want to go and watch that shit every week, you know the shit that Newcastle and West Ham fans couldn't put up with because it was so crap,

I know we are a starving man but signing up for a diet of gruel every day doesn't fill me with any enthusiasm, I don't know why anyone sees it as a rational option for Aston Villa

I admit I'm shit scared of Alardyce as Villa manager, absolutely cracking my pants of having that fucking anti football man at the helm at Villa, we would certainly have hit rock bottom with that sort of surrender of every football principal at the club,

If he was the manager I wouldn't care less if we stayed up or went down because the football would be predictably crap so what would be the point,
If you don't like Chinese food you don't go to a Chinese restaurant, I don't like Alardyce football i hate it, it offers nothing only maybe some sort of sudo safety

For those saying well that's what we've got now I agree, but it doesn't mean we should accept that crap,
We need to keep some hope of bread and roses

for anyone in any doubt, I don't like the bloke

It was a good rant John, but I honestly don't think he's as bad at that.  There were times last season, particularly when Andy Carroll was fit that they played some really good football.  He'd got them up to 3rd by December, and here's the report from the game where they beat Swansea 3-1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30266472

If we do get rid of Sherwood, it's going to be a choice of either somebody like Allardyce, who you know what you're getting, or a random pick, and who would just Lerner and Fox with that? 

[Villa in Denmark]

I can't understand why any football loving person would actually want Alardyce as Villa manager,
The security blanket feeling that there's someone with some sort of a viable plan in charge
The thing is with big Sam is you know exactly what your getting, Tripe, week in week out utter tripe, but hey he'l keep you in the prem playing tripe e very week.
As someone at work reminded me last week, principles tend to be for those who can afford them. 2 or 3 years of not quite purgatory, or the risk of a decade or more in the wilderness?

I know it's been the same with Lambert and Sherwood but at least they came in promising jam tomorrow, Unfortunately they only knew the recipe for the kind of chocolate tart served up in Niceville]Alardyce just promises tripe and that's what you get,[Sometimes the medicine to cure a disease tastes vile
Why would anyone want to go and watch that shit every week, you know the shit that Newcastle and West Ham fans couldn't put up with because it was so crap, didn't live up to their self important, media fed, bullshit ideal of how their clubs should play. And that'll be the same Newcastle that went down after they'd parted company with Alardyce and nearly pulled the same trick with Pardew and the West Ham where Julian Dicks is still a cult hero?

I know we are a starving man but signing up for a diet of gruel every day doesn't fill me with any enthusiasm, I don't know why anyone sees it as a rational option for Aston Villa

I admit I'm shit scared of Alardyce as Villa manager, absolutely cracking my pants of having that fucking anti football man at the helm at Villa, we would certainly have hit rock bottom with that sort of surrender of every football principal at the club, Welcome to the Premier League

If he was the manager I wouldn't care less if we stayed up or went down because the football would be predictably crap so what would be the point,
If you don't like Chinese food you don't go to a Chinese restaurant, I don't like Alardyce football i hate it, it offers nothing only maybe some sort of sudo safety

For those saying well that's what we've got now I agree, but it doesn't mean we should accept that crap,
We need to keep some hope of bread and roses

I'm no fan of Alardyce and earlier in the thread have already thrown out 3 or 4 names that would stand a chance of being both gettable and playing decent football whilst keeping us up.

However to use John's analogy, you'd really rather starve than eat something that's not very interesting for your taste buds?

My own analogy was it was like turning down a McDonald's at a motorway services because it wasn't fillet mignon. Yes it's shite, and you're probably going to feel a little ill shortly after, but it will hopefully be just enough to keep you going until you get to your desired destination.

That said I hope we can find a better alternative and that Fox has been looking for the last few weeks, but if it does end up as a straight choice between Tim Charlatan and BFS, I'll be hoping to listen to the dulcet Dudley tones of Kryton's long lost father soon.

[rob_bridge]

Allardyce could not be worse than thenon football served up yesterday and against The Bitters.