Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[Toronto Villa]

The problem with Big Sam is that we don't necessarily have the players to play his style of football. He'd have to make big adjustments to play to our strengths. And you just know without any shadow of a doubt he'd play Gabby for every single minute he can.

I don't know about that Monty. We have wingers and we have two centre forwards in Kozak and Gestede. He made Carroll look very decent again when he has healthy and even had Downing playing well. Look,it pains me to bring myself to want him but there was a time last season West Ham looked quite good. We are desperate and this is what desperation brings with it.

He did ok at Newcastle and West Ham, but they still wanted rid of him, does that not tell you something
When the fans want a manager out even when he's doing alright in the league proves that they could stand it any fucking longer

And you want to bring that in ?

John, the easiest way put this is that I don't want him. But my acceptance of him as an option is relative to the situation we find ourselves in. If there is a better option which hopefully there is then bring it on. I'm not going to agree with your observations of Newcastle or West Ham though. The first he was never given any kind of opportunity and the fans there don't accept anyone outside of their own and especially if the name isn't Shearer. They just hounded a manager who's now doing a perfectly fine job at Palace. Then West Ham fans only accept a certain style of play because of their belief they gave us the game and the World Cup. He did quite well overall there. Couple all of that with the two joke boards he had to work with its not entirely his fault he didn't last a long time.

Look, as much as we can accept (dislike) the football that would likely come with it, I'm at a point that I just don't want relegation fights. I want a manager who has a clue and his style aside Allardyce has proven he can get results in this league. I'll stress again I don't want him if better options exist but I'll take him right now. Selling my soul in the process.

[pauliewalnuts]

I've seen a few posts where people are saying it's time for Fox to admit his mistake etc. I don't think it was a mistake as Sherwood kept us up, I just think that's his limit though and now the right thing to do is to make a change and bring someone in who's experienced and proven tactically enough to bring together what looks like the makings of a good squad.

It looks more and more like Sherwood keeping us up was mostly achieved by him not being Lambert and applying a bit of motivation.

Ask him to use his noggin and come up with some sort of tactical idea of his own and he is woefully out of his depth. It is actually starting to get embarrassing to watch week after week.

[walsall villain]

I've seen a few posts where people are saying it's time for Fox to admit his mistake etc. I don't think it was a mistake as Sherwood kept us up, I just think that's his limit though and now the right thing to do is to make a change and bring someone in who's experienced and proven tactically enough to bring together what looks like the makings of a good squad.

That's how I see it. His positivity was just what the players needed last year but his lack of experience is telling. We need a change right now, I just can't imagine for one minute that Sherwood can turn things around this time. His starting line up tells you all you need to know, out of his depth now and panicking.

[Jimbo]

Sling Dim Tim out on his ear and offer Jürgen Klopp whatever he wants to get us out of this stinking whirlpool of nail-studded diarrhoea.

[john e]

It will have been a mistake if he relegates us this year, even more of a mistake by giving him 4 years. Yes, Sherwood did reverse a seemingly inevitable decline last season, but any number of managers could have done similar, particular when you consider the form benteke got himself in.

I don't think any number of managers could have, I thought he did really well last season
But he's got himself into a hole this season and doesn't know how to dig himself out

I think Liecester was the catalyst he changed after that game and looks a lost man now

[Ormy Droid]

If it means bringing Allardyce in I'd rather keep him a bit longer, I cannot stand watching Allardyce's brand of football. We've got a decent squad with a fair amount of young foreign players, surely there is a coach outside the British Isles who could do a better job than the usual uninspiring suspects?

I'm sorry but I'm finding it just a bit hard to swallow this line from a lot of people tbh about 'Allardyce's brand of football' - It's not as if we're renowned for our free flowing football over the years is it? So if it's a choice of watching crap football, and every so often taking three points I'll have that please, thank you.

It isn't though, is it?

It certainly doesn't have to be, anyway.

I just don't think the football we have to watch can be any worse than what's been on offer for the last five years. The Villa job is just too big (especially now) to risk another appointment with little or no experience of this league. I think even Klopp would struggle down the Villa.

Today, I thought we looked better once we had Gil, Grealish and Ayew on the pitch, and ideally I'd like a manager who could get the best out of these talented players, and I admit Allardyce is probably not that man. I just don't think it's possible for us to 'play' our way out of this mess at the moment. Allardyce would stabilise the club and be a stop gap (as at West Ham) until we get new owners and an actual purpose again.

[ozzjim]

Sherwood is our Di Canio, and we need to act before it is too late.

Allardyce is not ideal, but would stabilise the ship and might not mean I am depressed every bloody week. An I remember him workng Okocha, Djorkaef etc into his side at Bolton. I think he would work well with some of technical players.

There are better, there must be. Hell I would take Curbishley over Sherwood. Trouble is I think Sherwood would make either an excellent number 2, or director of football. But not the man who does the tactics each week.

Would Moyes come back from Spain?

[pauliewalnuts]

If it means bringing Allardyce in I'd rather keep him a bit longer, I cannot stand watching Allardyce's brand of football. We've got a decent squad with a fair amount of young foreign players, surely there is a coach outside the British Isles who could do a better job than the usual uninspiring suspects?

I'm sorry but I'm finding it just a bit hard to swallow this line from a lot of people tbh about 'Allardyce's brand of football' - It's not as if we're renowned for our free flowing football over the years is it? So if it's a choice of watching crap football, and every so often taking three points I'll have that please, thank you.

It isn't though, is it?

It certainly doesn't have to be, anyway.

I just don't think the football we have to watch can be any worse than what's been on offer for the last five years. The Villa job is just too big (especially now) to risk another appointment with little or no experience of this league. I think even Klopp would struggle down the Villa.

Today, I thought we looked better once we had Gil, Grealish and Ayew on the pitch, and ideally I'd like a manager who could get the best out of these talented players, and I admit Allardyce is probably not that man. I just don't think it's possible for us to 'play' our way out of this mess at the moment. Allardyce would stabilise the club and be a stop gap (as at West Ham) until we get new owners and an actual purpose again.

I don't think Allardyce went into the West Ham job seeing himself as a stop gap.

I take your point about not being worse than it has for the last five years, but once again, how is that any basis on which to support a potential new manager?

If things have been so bad for five years - and they have, they really have been fucking awful - then surely it is still extremely easy to manage to be better than it has been yet still not good enough?

I don't want three years of slightly better than what we've had. I want years of it being MUCH better than it has.

[curiousorange]

Sherwood probably convinced himself of his magical ability. In the cold light of day, how could that team reach the Cup Final, something which teams under Saunders, Little, Taylor, never managed? Must be down to the manager. But it's not hard to get enthusiastic about a winning side, is it?

Sherwood is useless without momentum. He can't create a team of winners, I'm sure of that. He rode our sense of desperation to a win against Leicester, but when it all stopped, that's when we really became managed by Tim Sherwood.

[olaftab]

Right just got home totally deflated ...tell me he has resigned... please someone?

[pauliewalnuts]

Would Moyes come back from Spain?

Moyes is probably going to get the sack, so yes, I'd suspect.

[LTA]

Question.  What makes people think Allardyce would come here?

[pauliewalnuts]

Question.  What makes people think Allardyce would come here?

Well, isn't the obvious answer to that that he hasn't got a job at the moment?

[PaulWinch again]

Well yet another tactical change yields a failure. Time is ticking.

[Can Gana Be Bettered!?!?]

Not that one fan matters, but I will not buy a ticket to watch Villa managed by Allardyce (unless he suddenly becomes Kevin Keegan and goes all out attack, but that's never gonna happen. Plus there's that semi-final a number of years back against Bolton and he made himself look like the fat twat he is).