Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[KRS]

It is but unfortunately that's where we're at. Chelsea won't be shit forever so you can expect them to improve by the time we play them after the international break and Cit£h should have Kompany back in their team.

[KevinGage]

Sherwood is effectively Tom Fox's first appointment.

Lerner has opted out of the decision making process, so Sherwood is Fox's man.

I don't think he'll be rushing to his boss saying 'I got it wrong' anytime soon.

[Neil Hawkes]

Sherwood is effectively Tom Fox's first appointment.

Lerner has opted out of the decision making process, so Sherwood is Fox's man.

I don't think he'll be rushing to his boss saying 'I got it wrong' anytime soon.

Surely that depends on how good Fox is at his job - admitting you got it wrong is just as important as taking the credit for when you get it right. This is the main failing I am seeing from TS now, not admitting his own mistakes, I am hoping that this is not the case when he reflects on his decisions in private.

[McGraths Dry Cleaning]

Sherwood is effectively Tom Fox's first appointment.

Lerner has opted out of the decision making process, so Sherwood is Fox's man.

I don't think he'll be rushing to his boss saying 'I got it wrong' anytime soon.

I think Sherwood will get less time from the fans than previous managers - he wasn't a popular appointment and whilst he kept us up against the odds that goodwill is evaporating. Unrest amongst the fans will focus everyone's thinking (including Fox)

[rob_bridge]

We have had 7 winnable games so far. Nothing at all which should have caused too much issue.

Therefore by my reckoning we should have gleaned between 8 & 13 points, we have gleaned half of the lower end of that scale. Realistic scenario would be to get 11 from the next 7 games, more likely to be less. That would give us around a point a game so very similar to last season going into December.

So Sherwood, coaches and players need to do much much better because having the same volumes of points at the same stage as last season approaching half way through the season is not fucking acceptable.

[aj2k77]

Rob where do you think we will pick the 11 points up from in the next 7 games? I can't see it myself.

[Clampy]

I'd also like to understand what value Bloater Wilkins is bringing to the overall coaching / management mix.

I was always surprised at the way KMac was pushed to the side during games last season with Mark Robson having the ear of Sherwood. I'd have thought a manager would want his Assistant Manager close by but KMac was shoved off further down the bench. I got the idea despite all his experience he was not that involved.

Wilkins I have no idea only that he seems very happy to be back in the game.

Loved Ray Wilkins as an up and coming young English Chelsea player in the 70's. However, he has done nothing of note as a coach so why appoint him. You want someone in who is going to add something to the team environment

Apart from winning the double with Chelsea under Ancelotti at Chelsea that is.

[Risso]

Sherwood is effectively Tom Fox's first appointment.

Lerner has opted out of the decision making process, so Sherwood is Fox's man.

I don't think he'll be rushing to his boss saying 'I got it wrong' anytime soon.

I don't think he'll need to, surely even Lerner can understand a league table.  He might even have realised that British sports have a concept of relegation, something he seems to enjoy flirting with.  Well, this year, the flirting appears to be coming to an end and a good finger-blasting is imminent.

[rob_bridge]

Rob where do you think we will pick the 11 points up from in the next 7 games? I can't see it myself.

I don't think we will. I said meant that as best case, Chief.

Stoke 3
Chelsea 0
Swansea 3
Tottenham 1
City 1
Everton 0
Watford 3

I think that is a harder set of games than those we have had so far. Maybe get 8 in reality. Domesday is we only pick up 5 or 6.

[Clampy]

Rob where do you think we will pick the 11 points up from in the next 7 games? I can't see it myself.

I don't think we will. I said meant that as best case, Chief.

Stoke 3
Chelsea 0
Swansea 3
Tottenham 1
City 1
Everton 0
Watford 3

I think that is a harder set of games than those we have had so far. Maybe get 8 in reality. Domesday is we only pick up 5 or 6.

If we cut out the silly mistakes at the back, there's no reason why we couldn't get a decent haul of points out of that lot.

[aj2k77]

I'd snap your hands off right now for those 11 pts. A good 90 minute performance Saturday, where we look like a team and we can start looking forward with a bit of optimism.

[rob_bridge]

Rob where do you think we will pick the 11 points up from in the next 7 games? I can't see it myself.

I don't think we will. I said meant that as best case, Chief.

Stoke 3
Chelsea 0
Swansea 3
Tottenham 1
City 1
Everton 0
Watford 3

I think that is a harder set of games than those we have had so far. Maybe get 8 in reality. Domesday is we only pick up 5 or 6.

If we cut out the silly mistakes at the back, there's no reason why we couldn't get a decent haul of points out of that lot.

Agree but even if we get 11 we'll only be averaging a point a game going into December. That isn't a good position to be in. There's 4 difficult games there whichever way you look at it and 3 comparatively easy games.

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Win the Stoke game and the chances of picking up another 8 points from the balance of the other six games increases dramatically. Confidence, winning and their ability to create momentum is a funny thing.

I think there is a comparison to be made with Leicester of last season in that they struggled with results, but there were no beatings dished out. We’ve been in every game so far this season and short of West Brom, we’ve not been universally terrible.

Sherwood has made errors in judgment at crucial times; Leicester away being the beacon of frustration for not solidifying the midfield. We’ve also been let down by terrible individual errors; Crystal Palace an example, the defending against Liverpool [why did both Gana and Sanchez vacate the space for Liverpool’s first?], Clark’s positioning against Sunderland etc, so there has to be a collective responsibility too.

For all my anger, most of it justified after Liverpool, systems and formations count for nothing if you have two players willing to empty the midfield within the first minute. Was it a symptom of being under instructed? I’m not so sure that a coach is required to give players the most basic of instructions of when to close the ball down or not, at this level, you should know for certain and I suspect both Gana and Sanchez do.

So perhaps the goals was down to a communication error between a French speaking player with a smattering of English and a Spanish speaking one with an equal lose grasp on Anglais?

Was Gana too keyed up and excitable? Was there an internal monologue of “I’ve been out for two bloody weeks, this ball is mine”? 

It cost us a point whatever the root cause, but it’s surely something easily remedied, as you could argue for much of our defensive organisation.

There has to be a realisation that we cannot fix Guzan or the right back problem. They’re poor and there is little to be done but sit and wait. Having a midfield capable of picking up runners to stem and pressure on the defence would help. Taking Westwood out of the side, because he too is a very poor player, would help defensively. His inability to track a man lets the opposition create space, which must be closed down, which breaks our defensive line, which in turn leads to space in areas where it really hurts you. Leicester again is a beacon of this.

We’ve got a perfect storm at present which is undermining the good work we do put it. I’ve seen us play better football this season than the mind numbing futility served up by Lambert, but unless we’re willing to start coupling together the good work we do over a substantive part of the game, we will be exposed. The manager identifying the appropriate personnel is a key to that and the quicker Veretout puts down his Camel’s and picks up the fitness, the better we shall be.

Stoke, Swansea and Watford at home are opposition who we should be aiming to beat. We have a diabolical record at home, but you’ve got to address that and the only way it will come is via results and putting them together. There were glimpses of that against Everton and West Ham last season where we deservedly won those games; putting results together against all right opposition.

Start winning games at home and there will be plenty of wins picked up where the opposition can say they deserved something from the game, but achieved nothing. We haven’t won games like that in a long time.

It seems like a lofty aspiration, but that is really quite a pathetic assessment and it’s because we too as supporters have been succoured into this woebegone mindset that scrapping 5 wins at home a season is our lot in life.

The nonsensical talk that if we were to lose the next two games that we’re down is evidence enough of this attitude and the only way it will be rectified is by winning, especially at home.

[itbrvilla]

Win the Stoke game and the chances of picking up another 8 points from the balance of the other six games increases dramatically. Confidence, winning and their ability to create momentum is a funny thing.

I think there is a comparison to be made with Leicester of last season in that they struggled with results, but there were no beatings dished out. We’ve been in every game so far this season and short of West Brom, we’ve not been universally terrible.

Sherwood has made errors in judgment at crucial times; Leicester away being the beacon of frustration for not solidifying the midfield. We’ve also been let down by terrible individual errors; Crystal Palace an example, the defending against Liverpool [why did both Gana and Sanchez vacate the space for Liverpool’s first?], Clark’s positioning against Sunderland etc, so there has to be a collective responsibility too.

For all my anger, most of it justified after Liverpool, systems and formations count for nothing if you have two players willing to empty the midfield within the first minute. Was it a symptom of being under instructed? I’m not so sure that a coach is required to give players the most basic of instructions of when to close the ball down or not, at this level, you should know for certain and I suspect both Gana and Sanchez do.

So perhaps the goals was down to a communication error between a French speaking player with a smattering of English and a Spanish speaking one with an equal lose grasp on Anglais?

Was Gana too keyed up and excitable? Was there an internal monologue of “I’ve been out for two bloody weeks, this ball is mine”? 

It cost us a point whatever the root cause, but it’s surely something easily remedied, as you could argue for much of our defensive organisation.

There has to be a realisation that we cannot fix Guzan or the right back problem. They’re poor and there is little to be done but sit and wait. Having a midfield capable of picking up runners to stem and pressure on the defence would help. Taking Westwood out of the side, because he too is a very poor player, would help defensively. His inability to track a man lets the opposition create space, which must be closed down, which breaks our defensive line, which in turn leads to space in areas where it really hurts you. Leicester again is a beacon of this.

We’ve got a perfect storm at present which is undermining the good work we do put it. I’ve seen us play better football this season than the mind numbing futility served up by Lambert, but unless we’re willing to start coupling together the good work we do over a substantive part of the game, we will be exposed. The manager identifying the appropriate personnel is a key to that and the quicker Veretout puts down his Camel’s and picks up the fitness, the better we shall be.

Stoke, Swansea and Watford at home are opposition who we should be aiming to beat. We have a diabolical record at home, but you’ve got to address that and the only way it will come is via results and putting them together. There were glimpses of that against Everton and West Ham last season where we deservedly won those games; putting results together against all right opposition.

Start winning games at home and there will be plenty of wins picked up where the opposition can say they deserved something from the game, but achieved nothing. We haven’t won games like that in a long time.

It seems like a lofty aspiration, but that is really quite a pathetic assessment and it’s because we too as supporters have been succoured into this woebegone mindset that scrapping 5 wins at home a season is our lot in life.

The nonsensical talk that if we were to lose the next two games that we’re down is evidence enough of this attitude and the only way it will be rectified is by winning, especially at home.

So.... What do you really think? :p

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Win the Stoke game and the chances of picking up another 8 points from the balance of the other six games increases dramatically. Confidence, winning and their ability to create momentum is a funny thing.

I think there is a comparison to be made with Leicester of last season in that they struggled with results, but there were no beatings dished out. We’ve been in every game so far this season and short of West Brom, we’ve not been universally terrible.

Sherwood has made errors in judgment at crucial times; Leicester away being the beacon of frustration for not solidifying the midfield. We’ve also been let down by terrible individual errors; Crystal Palace an example, the defending against Liverpool [why did both Gana and Sanchez vacate the space for Liverpool’s first?], Clark’s positioning against Sunderland etc, so there has to be a collective responsibility too.

For all my anger, most of it justified after Liverpool, systems and formations count for nothing if you have two players willing to empty the midfield within the first minute. Was it a symptom of being under instructed? I’m not so sure that a coach is required to give players the most basic of instructions of when to close the ball down or not, at this level, you should know for certain and I suspect both Gana and Sanchez do.

So perhaps the goals was down to a communication error between a French speaking player with a smattering of English and a Spanish speaking one with an equal lose grasp on Anglais?

Was Gana too keyed up and excitable? Was there an internal monologue of “I’ve been out for two bloody weeks, this ball is mine”? 

It cost us a point whatever the root cause, but it’s surely something easily remedied, as you could argue for much of our defensive organisation.

There has to be a realisation that we cannot fix Guzan or the right back problem. They’re poor and there is little to be done but sit and wait. Having a midfield capable of picking up runners to stem and pressure on the defence would help. Taking Westwood out of the side, because he too is a very poor player, would help defensively. His inability to track a man lets the opposition create space, which must be closed down, which breaks our defensive line, which in turn leads to space in areas where it really hurts you. Leicester again is a beacon of this.

We’ve got a perfect storm at present which is undermining the good work we do put it. I’ve seen us play better football this season than the mind numbing futility served up by Lambert, but unless we’re willing to start coupling together the good work we do over a substantive part of the game, we will be exposed. The manager identifying the appropriate personnel is a key to that and the quicker Veretout puts down his Camel’s and picks up the fitness, the better we shall be.

Stoke, Swansea and Watford at home are opposition who we should be aiming to beat. We have a diabolical record at home, but you’ve got to address that and the only way it will come is via results and putting them together. There were glimpses of that against Everton and West Ham last season where we deservedly won those games; putting results together against all right opposition.

Start winning games at home and there will be plenty of wins picked up where the opposition can say they deserved something from the game, but achieved nothing. We haven’t won games like that in a long time.

It seems like a lofty aspiration, but that is really quite a pathetic assessment and it’s because we too as supporters have been succoured into this woebegone mindset that scrapping 5 wins at home a season is our lot in life.

The nonsensical talk that if we were to lose the next two games that we’re down is evidence enough of this attitude and the only way it will be rectified is by winning, especially at home.

So.... What do you really think? :p

I guess what I am really trying to say is that time is a flat circle.