Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[john e]

If we lose v Stoke and then Chelsea, then I think Risso is right.  We'll be goners.  We would be marooned in the bottom three with 4 pts from 9 games.  I know other sides have recovered from desperate positions in recent seasons (Leicester last season, Crystal Palace the one before) but they are the exception rather than the rule.  Can you honestly see us recover from such a low ebb with TS in charge?  Not a chance.  The only outside chance would be to jettison TS sharpish and then gamble on some one else to come in and somehow perform miracles with a demoralised squad.  I wouldn't be putting money on it.  That's why beating Stoke is so important.  Others on here are blithely talking about giving TS until Christmas etc but I believe we are already closer to the last chance saloon than might be apparent at first glance. 

'Gamble on someone else to come in and somehow perform miracles with a demoralised squad'

exactly the same as what Sherwood did for us last season then

[sirlordbaltimore]

I always wait until ten games to judge what's what. If we've got less than ten points then it's time to act

[kippaxvilla2]

I think one concern Sherwood will have is a lack of allies if things continue to go tits up.
Lambert was on 6 foot of concrete because he was a Lerner appointment, and there was obviously some kind of 'bond' between them and (the contract renewal proved) there was a tremendous amount of loyalty between them.
Fox was obviously able to change and influence that when we were in the pits of despair in February, and force his Lamberts removal.

Sherwood is a Fox appointment, albeit sanctioned by Lerner.
I would guess the same levels of loyalty and friendship do not exist between Lerner and Sherwood and so if/when Fox decides to be ruthless, I think it will be a lot sooner than if it was Lerners decision.

Good, I don't want jobs for mates and back slapping and all that bollocks. I want the best man available for the job and if he doesn't cut the mustard I want him sacked.

Replaced by who?

Not my job mate, I don't have any contacts or much knowledge of football managers around the world. I'm also not involved in football so have no links to agents who drip feed information. I'd hope we have employed someone who does have this kind of knowledge though, like a CEO.

Ahhh, that old chestnut, not my job.

And asking people to name a replacement isn't an old chestnut in itself?

And calling for the managers head at this stage of the season in each of the last three isn't an old chestnut either?  This chestnut analogy always seems to come up in the conker season.  Coincidence?

[achilles]

I think one concern Sherwood will have is a lack of allies if things continue to go tits up.
Lambert was on 6 foot of concrete because he was a Lerner appointment, and there was obviously some kind of 'bond' between them and (the contract renewal proved) there was a tremendous amount of loyalty between them.
Fox was obviously able to change and influence that when we were in the pits of despair in February, and force his Lamberts removal.

Sherwood is a Fox appointment, albeit sanctioned by Lerner.
I would guess the same levels of loyalty and friendship do not exist between Lerner and Sherwood and so if/when Fox decides to be ruthless, I think it will be a lot sooner than if it was Lerners decision.

Good, I don't want jobs for mates and back slapping and all that bollocks. I want the best man available for the job and if he doesn't cut the mustard I want him sacked.

Replaced by who?

Not my job mate, I don't have any contacts or much knowledge of football managers around the world. I'm also not involved in football so have no links to agents who drip feed information. I'd hope we have employed someone who does have this kind of knowledge though, like a CEO.

Ahhh, that old chestnut, not my job.

... but it isn't!!!

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I get the impression the Sherwood appointment was made as it was a quick and easy appointment to make. He was available and wouldn't take a lot on convincing to come. Also, we're probably paying him less than his predecessors due to his lack of experience. If he goes it could well be a similar criteria used to replace him.

If we are paying him less it's compensated by the length of his contract. 4 years is more than the norm for even the most promising of managers.

One thing I have been wondering and maybe Risso or any of the other bean counters on here can tell me is this; how much have our last four managers cost us when we combine their salaries plus the compensation paid out?

Surely it would be no more than paying extra for a bloody good manager and not have to pay him compensation. Obviously that type of manager would want some reassurances that he'd have money to spend but by having a good manager all our revenue streams would increase thus making it far easier to financially support him?

[Villafirst]

The run of games is scary over the next few weeks. I can't see us getting any points at Chesea, Spurs and Everton. As for the home games, we might get 4 max from Stoke, Swansea and Man City which will leave us on 8 points from 13 games. We'd need 32 points from 25 games which I can't see us achieving. I hope I'm wrong.

[Mister E]

What I'm looking for are signs that he has learned from the naivety and pigheadedness of these early games, in terms of tactics and subs. I'd also like to understand what value Bloater Wilkins is bringing to the overall coaching / management mix.
If things improve, we can perhaps consign these early games to the effect of the learning curve. If TS continues to make decisions that reduce our points-earning capability, then maybe he is the wrong guy.
We need to show on Saturday that we can beat a difficult opponent and start to satisfy the VP crowd which - God knows - is in need of some reassurance.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I'd also like to understand what value Bloater Wilkins is bringing to the overall coaching / management mix.

I was always surprised at the way KMac was pushed to the side during games last season with Mark Robson having the ear of Sherwood. I'd have thought a manager would want his Assistant Manager close by but KMac was shoved off further down the bench. I got the idea despite all his experience he was not that involved.

Wilkins I have no idea only that he seems very happy to be back in the game.

[Villafirst]

Comments are a bit harsh on Wilkins. Very early days for him trying to coach a group of foreign players speaking different languages. It will take time, but lost points against Sunderland, Palace, West Brom and Leicester will come back to haunt us I feel.

[silhillvilla]

I'd also like to understand what value Bloater Wilkins is bringing to the overall coaching / management mix.

Gin, sherry and Creme de Menthe 

[itbrvilla]

Comments are a bit harsh on Wilkins. Very early days for him trying to coach a group of foreign players speaking different languages. It will take time, but lost points against Sunderland, Palace, West Brom and Leicester will come back to haunt us I feel.

Already haunting me...

[Steve kirk]

The squad last year was poor and playing a brand of football that made them look even worse. Sherwood came in and altered the way we approached the game. This gave the players a lift and they looked as though they were enjoying the game.

Some of the players then slipped back into their old ways and Clark picked up an injury that completely disorganised the defence over the final few matches.

Many in the squad had to be replaced and we were unfortunate that two of our best players wanted to leave. If Benteke and Delph had stayed, I wonder how much Sherwood would have had to spend.

Football is very much a squad game these days as cover for injuries/suspensions is essential (as we full know). There will always be players left out, even out of the match day squad but we need that cover. We still have glaring weaknesses in the squad. When you couple this with inexperience and a few injuries, it is a recipe for a team to struggle.

I have been hugely disappointed with results but in most games I have seen something positive. This was not the case last year, when relegation looked odds-on after the Hull match. Last season's experience shows that it's a fine line between relative success and failure. If we can put out a balanced and settled side, pick up a bit of confidence, get a better rub of the green, things could turn around.

I really hope he does turn it around and it all come together soon, I am sick of this every season, but I was never this worried at this stage of the season in PL's years as I am now.

Agreed this is the most concerned I have felt in all of our recent relegation battles, I know its early but it just feels different this time.

[Legion]

Same here.

[silhillvilla]

Simple fact is The Beast is not here to bail us out of the shit this time.

[ROBBO]

Money talks if i were Lerner i would go out and get a top manager by making them an offrer they can't refuse.A top manager should get the same money as the top players.