Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[Chico Hamilton III]

Totally agree Kuwait.  He has too high a regard for his own communication skills.  It is very hard for somebody who thinks they are silver tongued and witty to accept that they are not.  Some people regard modesty as a form of loss of face when it is actually quite the reverse. See the calm and fair comments about the England rugby team by the Welsh skipper Warburton (who was in the thick of the titanic battle) with the delirious crowing of the welsh pundits. Sadly I can't see Sherwood improving his communication skills and time soon.

I was talking to a Spurs supporting neighbour the other day and he asked me what I thought of Sherwood. I told him what I thought and asked him what he thought. "The thing with Sherwood, it always has to be about him" Made perfect sense to me. Anyway, my neighbour preferred to talk about Tony Parkes, who's still a bit of a cult figure with Spurs, similar to the way that Spink is with us.

[Clampy]

I would give him until the end of November. If we have no signs of improvement then he has to go. You don't sign so many players without any idea of how they might play together or what is the planned style of play. Unfortunately I cannot see sign of either of these. Get a new face in to assess the squad in December ready for the transfer window. Don't ask who tough as I wouldn't trust the board of AVFC to sign the best suited person for the job. Based on the other managerial appointments "which have been a joke". We were promised an attacking style of play and the removal of the loosing mentality ? We are now apparently aiming to stay in the premier league!!
I feel the pain will continue, until the club is sold and the whole direction of the club can be changed.
I think we may go down this season I will be very surprised if we stay up ( but God I hope I'm wrong )

So you want them to sack him in November if things don't improve, but you don't trust them to get the right person in? What's the point in sacking him then?

[passport1]

I would give him until the end of November. If we have no signs of improvement then he has to go. You don't sign so many players without any idea of how they might play together or what is the planned style of play. Unfortunately I cannot see sign of either of these. Get a new face in to assess the squad in December ready for the transfer window. Don't ask who tough as I wouldn't trust the board of AVFC to sign the best suited person for the job. Based on the other managerial appointments "which have been a joke". We were promised an attacking style of play and the removal of the loosing mentality ? We are now apparently aiming to stay in the premier league!!
I feel the pain will continue, until the club is sold and the whole direction of the club can be changed.
I think we may go down this season I will be very surprised if we stay up ( but God I hope I'm wrong )

So you want them to sack him in November if things don't improve, but you don't trust them to get the right person in? What's the point in sacking him then?

I think that perfectly illustrates the mess our club is in.

[Clampy]

I would give him until the end of November. If we have no signs of improvement then he has to go. You don't sign so many players without any idea of how they might play together or what is the planned style of play. Unfortunately I cannot see sign of either of these. Get a new face in to assess the squad in December ready for the transfer window. Don't ask who tough as I wouldn't trust the board of AVFC to sign the best suited person for the job. Based on the other managerial appointments "which have been a joke". We were promised an attacking style of play and the removal of the loosing mentality ? We are now apparently aiming to stay in the premier league!!
I feel the pain will continue, until the club is sold and the whole direction of the club can be changed.
I think we may go down this season I will be very surprised if we stay up ( but God I hope I'm wrong )

So you want them to sack him in November if things don't improve, but you don't trust them to get the right person in? What's the point in sacking him then?

I think that perfectly illustrates the mess our club is in.

What mess is that? Being on a losing run is not really a mess.

[Chico Hamilton III]

I would give him until the end of November. If we have no signs of improvement then he has to go. You don't sign so many players without any idea of how they might play together or what is the planned style of play. Unfortunately I cannot see sign of either of these. Get a new face in to assess the squad in December ready for the transfer window. Don't ask who tough as I wouldn't trust the board of AVFC to sign the best suited person for the job. Based on the other managerial appointments "which have been a joke". We were promised an attacking style of play and the removal of the loosing mentality ? We are now apparently aiming to stay in the premier league!!
I feel the pain will continue, until the club is sold and the whole direction of the club can be changed.
I think we may go down this season I will be very surprised if we stay up ( but God I hope I'm wrong )

So you want them to sack him in November if things don't improve, but you don't trust them to get the right person in? What's the point in sacking him then?

I think that perfectly illustrates the mess our club is in.

What mess is that? Being on a losing run is not really a mess.

It's not just a losing run though is it? We've got an owner who does his best to look like he couldn't give a shit and communicates with us so poorly that gossip and hearsay fill the vacuum he's created, he wants to sell but can't find a buyer and we seem to be getting closer to the drop every season. Add that to some really depressing form on the pitch and I'd call it a mess

[chrisw1]

What, the owner who sanctioned us spending c£50m on several players, some of whom look outstanding and people were drooling over before and when we signed them?  The same several players who have hardly had a moment to bed in?

We have speculated on a new start with a new manager and new players.  The worst thing you could do is pull the rug and start again.  And be £50m worse off into the bargain.

[oldhill_avfc]

7 weeks ago almost everyone on here were back slapping Sherwood and Fox for the best Summer of business we had seen in years. Fast forward to now and Fox is getting ripped apart and 30% of people want Sherwood sacked immediately?! Honsetly, re-read those two sentences and try and comprehend how ridiculous it is. People really need to pull themselves together. Inexperenced manager, new young, inexperienced squad, best players have left the club on short notice. Honestly, what were people expecting? Yes, some results have gone the wrong way but it was always going to take time.

We have lost almost every game by one goal. There are strong signs of Ayew, Gestede, Richards, Veretout, Gana, Traore and Amavi getting up to speed and looking like really good additions. Exisiting players like Sanchez, Clarke and Gil seem to be coming on as well. We have good players like Okore coming back from injury and two players signed that we havent even seen yet.

I agree, we need to see an upturn in fortunes in the near future but hold your shit togther people, we will turn this round.

Bravo

I would like to add that at this moment in time who the hell would we attract that is better? Talk of Alladyce et al I find bizarre

I mentioned Allardyce, in resonse to a very specific question that another poster posed.

For the record, I think it's far too early to judge Sherwood, but things do need to change quickly - and that means in time to assess the sqaud and its deficiencies and be able to rectify them in the transfer window.

You then think who you'd trust under those circumstances (and the wider uncertainty about the future ownership, budgets, ect) to 'do a job' and I think it's entirely logical that Allardyce would be a consideration.

Some may baulk at his supposed style of football, but maybe that's a price worth paying for stability/mid-table security from which to build over the next few years.

[oldhill_avfc]

What, the owner who sanctioned us spending c£50m on several players, some of whom look outstanding and people were drooling over before and when we signed them?  The same several players who have hardly had a moment to bed in?

We have speculated on a new start with a new manager and new players.  The worst thing you could do is pull the rug and start again.  And be £50m worse off into the bargain.

I think you mean sanctioned a net spend of £8m (?17th lowest in the division) - hardly starting again.

[Chico Hamilton III]

What, the owner who sanctioned us spending c£50m on several players, some of whom look outstanding and people were drooling over before and when we signed them?  The same several players who have hardly had a moment to bed in?

We have speculated on a new start with a new manager and new players.  The worst thing you could do is pull the rug and start again.  And be £50m worse off into the bargain.

Yep, £50m spent in the summer, £40m received. Like I say, the silence from Lerner means we can only speculate about his intentions. How would you define the situation we're in?

[Clampy]

What, the owner who sanctioned us spending c£50m on several players, some of whom look outstanding and people were drooling over before and when we signed them?  The same several players who have hardly had a moment to bed in?

We have speculated on a new start with a new manager and new players.  The worst thing you could do is pull the rug and start again.  And be £50m worse off into the bargain.

I think you mean sanctioned a net spend of £8m (?17th lowest in the division) - hardly starting again.

But we still spent the money we had come in.

[oldhill_avfc]

What, the owner who sanctioned us spending c£50m on several players, some of whom look outstanding and people were drooling over before and when we signed them?  The same several players who have hardly had a moment to bed in?

We have speculated on a new start with a new manager and new players.  The worst thing you could do is pull the rug and start again.  And be £50m worse off into the bargain.

Yep, £50m spent in the summer, £40m received. Like I say, the silence from Lerner means we can only speculate about his intentions. How would you define the situation we're in?

Uncertain.

Sherwood brought in players who may or may not be good enough.  I think he had the right idea but may simply have been unlucky. 

I'm concerned he doesn't have the experience/tactical nous to find a way forward but deserves a chance.  If he continues to falter, then we need to switch to Plan B before too long.

[chrisw1]

What, the owner who sanctioned us spending c£50m on several players, some of whom look outstanding and people were drooling over before and when we signed them?  The same several players who have hardly had a moment to bed in?

We have speculated on a new start with a new manager and new players.  The worst thing you could do is pull the rug and start again.  And be £50m worse off into the bargain.

Yep, £50m spent in the summer, £40m received. Like I say, the silence from Lerner means we can only speculate about his intentions. How would you define the situation we're in?

Transition.  I know you can say we have been in that state since MON, but the squad has had major surgery.  We need to see it through for a little longer before starting again.

Personally I am very excited by Amavi, Traore & Gueye.  I like Richards & Lescott and hope that Veretout & Ayew can live up to their promise in due course.  Add in Gil & Grealish and we surely have the makings of an exciting team?

[paul richard]

One or two suggestions on here that we wait until November.  Giving TS time is laudable and reasonable of course, but has anyone looked closely at the league table?  We have FOUR points after seven games, against mostly moderate opposition.  This time last year, with a poorer squad, we had ten and we still found ourselves in serious trouble and drifting by the time autumn turned to winter.  I spy some tricky fixtures approaching and I'm concerned that if we leave things to November it may well be too late.  On our present downward trajectory we keep finding different ways to lose: individual errors late on (Guzan/Amavi) at Crystal Palace; spectacularly snatching defeat from the jaws of victory at Leicester; smothered and picked off by Albion; set up to contain at Liverpool but managing to concede the fastest goal in the Premier League this season followed by piss poor lack of concentration to concede a third goal immediately after halving the deficit in the 2nd half.  Of our forthcoming opponents, Stoke and Swansea have developed an irritating habit of picking up points at Villa Park and visits to Chelsea and Tottenham obviously look awkward.  The manner in which we lose games currently makes it difficult to see us picking up much from these fixtures.  Perhaps we will draw the home fixtures and lose the away fixtures.  That would leave us on 6 points by Halloween.  I am worried that at that point, when people start to realise the extent of the shit we are in, it will already be too late to make a change that will make a difference.  My point is that we are already in the shit and we had better wake up and realise that the time to consider changing things is already upon us. 

[Des Little]

I'm in agreement with the earlier post that we review the situation in early December (having obviously done our homework), and take action then - giving any new manager the chance to do his thing in January's window.  Until then, we simply have to hope that this team gels and come the halfway point of the season we are in a considerably stronger position than we are right now.

[mattjpa]

One or two suggestions on here that we wait until November.  Giving TS time is laudable and reasonable of course, but has anyone looked closely at the league table?  We have FOUR points after seven games, against mostly moderate opposition.  This time last year, with a poorer squad, we had ten and we still found ourselves in serious trouble and drifting by the time autumn turned to winter.  I spy some tricky fixtures approaching and I'm concerned that if we leave things to November it may well be too late.  On our present downward trajectory we keep finding different ways to lose: individual errors late on (Guzan/Amavi) at Crystal Palace; spectacularly snatching defeat from the jaws of victory at Leicester; smothered and picked off by Albion; set up to contain at Liverpool but managing to concede the fastest goal in the Premier League this season followed by piss poor lack of concentration to concede a third goal immediately after halving the deficit in the 2nd half.  Of our forthcoming opponents, Stoke and Swansea have developed an irritating habit of picking up points at Villa Park and visits to Chelsea and Tottenham obviously look awkward.  The manner in which we lose games currently makes it difficult to see us picking up much from these fixtures.  Perhaps we will draw the home fixtures and lose the away fixtures.  That would leave us on 6 points by Halloween.  I am worried that at that point, when people start to realise the extent of the shit we are in, it will already be too late to make a change that will make a difference.  My point is that we are already in the shit and we had better wake up and realise that the time to consider changing things is already upon us.

I don't have time to back this up with facts and figures but wernt Leicester all but relegated at this time last year? I seem to remember them being absolute whipping boys and some of the fans calling for a change of manager. He managed to find a team, formation and style that suited them and they didn't look back. (Admittedly he had gone now but not for footballing reasons!) now they are sat at the top end of the league.
My point is TS needs to be given time to get it right. As Leicester found last year, it then doesn't matter who and where you are playing, mentality changes and a result seems possible no matter who you are up against