Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[RussellC]

Worth noting also, after 7 games of last season we gave Lambert a 3-year contract extension on the back of performances thus far. I'm sure that will serve as a reminder to Lerner and Fox that this isn't the time for radical action.

[DB]

..or we had more points last season and just stayed up by a knats arsehole, we have less points and could be in more trouble come what May.

[Rigadon]

Without wishing to be too provocative for those who are definitely in the keep camp is that in hope or expectation that it will get better?
For those who say expectation, what leads you to expect an improvement?

For the both the keep and  undecided what would tip you into the P45 camp?

I'm in the keep camp. We are a work in progress, we have been crying out for years for some creativity in midfield, which we now have. Sherwood needs to find a settled team that knows how to win, and stop giving gifts to the opposition. Yes he has made mistakes, but he will learn. The players have also made mistakes, which have cost us. We are a better team than last season. We just need to win a few games. We will improve.

For me it's the margins. We could and should have picked up points at Palace and Leicester and a win at home to Sunderland. We're approaching each game with a plan, even if it's not working, which is more than I saw under Lambert. I'm convinced we'll pick up enough points to be safe. I also think that, if we do, we could feasibly have the first close season in a long time where we're able to build on what we've got, not worry about players leaving and little or no cash being made available to spend.

Seems churlish to pick out the one game, but I genuinely couldn't see any plan v Liverpool. 

I'd get rid now, but accept it's probably unfair.  I've lost all patience.

[Sexual Ealing]

Without wishing to be too provocative for those who are definitely in the keep camp is that in hope or expectation that it will get better?
For those who say expectation, what leads you to expect an improvement?

For the both the keep and  undecided what would tip you into the P45 camp?

I'm in the keep camp. We are a work in progress, we have been crying out for years for some creativity in midfield, which we now have. Sherwood needs to find a settled team that knows how to win, and stop giving gifts to the opposition. Yes he has made mistakes, but he will learn. The players have also made mistakes, which have cost us. We are a better team than last season. We just need to win a few games. We will improve.

 I'm convinced we'll pick up enough points to be safe. I also think that, if we do, we could feasibly have the first close season in a long time where we're able to build on what we've got, not worry about players leaving and little or no cash being made available to spend.

I think that perspective ignores the whole point of buying these young/less-heralded players from the continent. Amavi, Gana, Traore, Veretout...I think they see us purely as a shop window.

[aj2k77]

My patience has gone, it went a while ago, I can't be arsed with Jam tomorrow all the time, promises of better to come, the decent players will have fucked off again and we will be starting from scratch. I can't be arsed being an academy for inexperienced managers where they go through a litany of fuck ups in front of us with the hope they will learn from it.

It's not Sherwoods fault in particular, although he's been a complete clown this season so far, it's more the collective weight of 5 years of fuck up after fuck up and incompetent decision after incompetent decision and I just have no time for it anymore. It's shit.

[kippaxvilla2]

There you go sack Pulis useless tactically clueless manager lost a 2-0 lead at home to be losing 3-2.

[Can Gana Be Bettered!?!?]

After years of shite, should we be looking within for reasons we're so crap?

How many time can you be wrong about a manager before you realise it's not actually the managers fault?

And how much do fans play a part in this? Gary Monk was mentioned on a thread earlier. Imagine him coming to Villa Park and telling players they're going to pass, pass and pass no matter where they are on the pitch. Then imagine the fans shouting abuse at players from a short distance away telling them they're fucking useless and to get it forward. How long would he last?

Not saying it's the fans fault, but just putting different perspectives on things.

From your post, you are saying it is the fans' fault.

I am inclined to put the blame on the owner.

Clearly not, as my last line states.

[silhillvilla]

H Stoke is a game we lost last season so a chance to claw 3 points back on our like for like tally.

[pauliewalnuts]

After years of shite, should we be looking within for reasons we're so crap?

How many time can you be wrong about a manager before you realise it's not actually the managers fault?

And how much do fans play a part in this? Gary Monk was mentioned on a thread earlier. Imagine him coming to Villa Park and telling players they're going to pass, pass and pass no matter where they are on the pitch. Then imagine the fans shouting abuse at players from a short distance away telling them they're fucking useless and to get it forward. How long would he last?

Not saying it's the fans fault, but just putting different perspectives on things.

From your post, you are saying it is the fans' fault.

I am inclined to put the blame on the owner.

Clearly not, as my last line states.

But your last line, though it states that, is a bit at odds with the preceding paragraph. I can't see anyway it could be our fault - we don't make the decisions, they do.

[old man villa fan]

Compare Lambert (not blaming players for mistakes and say they played well) with Sherwood (pointing the finger).  Which is right, confidence/moral v easy ride?  Over the years, different managers have played it either way e.g. Allardyce would always comment "we cannot make those mistakes and expect to get anything out of the game"

If Sherwood had been given another £20-30m, would he have bought better players or dumped a few more and replaced them or said "I will bank the money for later".

Has Sherwood been able to put out what he thinks is his best side i.e. how much have injuries upset his plans.  I don't think we would be seeing Sanchez and Westwood in the same side if he had all his midfield players to select from as an example.

When he bought Ayew and Gestede was he just replacing Benteke or was he thinking that he had to replace Gabby as well (and Weimann to a lesser extent).

There aren't any stand out managers with PL experience that would be for now and the future i.e. somebody you would give a 4 or 5 year contract.  Bringing in foreign managers during the season is difficult because they seem to have a mindset of going season to season, possibly mid-season break.

The key to bringing in a new manager is Lerner's willingness to spend big money to get a good manager and a transfer budget that he would want, plus paying off the current team.  If Lerner is not willing to put his hand in his pocket now, fans can complain as much as they want but it is not going see the right change.

A well run club should always be in a position to know who is available so that they can react if required, whether it be through sacking or resignation.

Personally, I think the position should be reviewed at the beginning of December.  I do not think he is doing a bad a job as many are making out but results count at the end of the day.  We cannot afford to be going into January and not be in touch with teams in 13th/14th/15th and just fighting it out with 4 other teams for the relegation places.

[aj2k77]

Fuck me, we've all but given up if our worst start in 30 years, since we last got relegated isn't considered a bad job.

[old man villa fan]

Fuck me, we've all but given up if our worst start in 30 years, since we last got relegated isn't considered a bad job.

If that is referring to my comment, I said "....... doing a bad a job as many are making out ....".  This is not the same as saying I accept the way things are going.  Which is pretty obvious from my other comments.

[aj2k77]

So you think he's doing an ok job?

[ciggiesnbeer]

Fuck me, we've all but given up if our worst start in 30 years, since we last got relegated isn't considered a bad job.

Is it really? Honestly I hadn't noticed, given the amount of shit records broken the past few years a new one barely registers any more.

[ChicagoLion]

Fuck me, we've all but given up if our worst start in 30 years, since we last got relegated isn't considered a bad job.

Is it really? Honestly I hadn't noticed, given the amount of shit records broken the past few years a new one barely registers any more.

Same here.
I thought Lambert had run off as the all time record holder for the most shit records.
TS obviously is in with a chance of first Manager to get us Relegated from the Premier League.