Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[oldhill_avfc]

The pertinent thing for me here is that it's now Page 28 and I still haven't seen one single viable alternative suggested. And I don't mean hypothetically, I mean realistically. I mean a Manager who is going to come in and justify the cost of sacking Sherwood and his backroom team and as-close-as-possible guarantee an immediate improvement. One who, if you were Tom Fox, you'd genuinely and honestly flip the coin for.

Allardyce.

(I voted stick with Sherwood for now - but I'd go for Allardyce at the drop of hat.  He knows how to stay in the division, West Ham played decent football).

Fucking hell.

Care to explain?

I agree. If Sam Alladyrce did that good a job at West Ham, he'd still be there.

I've highlighted the OP's question which I offered an answer for.

The way I see it he got sacked from West Ham for somehow failing to deliver a certain mythical style of football.

[Clampy]

The pertinent thing for me here is that it's now Page 28 and I still haven't seen one single viable alternative suggested. And I don't mean hypothetically, I mean realistically. I mean a Manager who is going to come in and justify the cost of sacking Sherwood and his backroom team and as-close-as-possible guarantee an immediate improvement. One who, if you were Tom Fox, you'd genuinely and honestly flip the coin for.

Allardyce.

(I voted stick with Sherwood for now - but I'd go for Allardyce at the drop of hat.  He knows how to stay in the division, West Ham played decent football).

Fucking hell.

Care to explain?

I agree. If Sam Alladyrce did that good a job at West Ham, he'd still be there.

I've highlighted the OP's question which I offered an answer for.

The way I see it he got sacked from West Ham for somehow failing to deliver a certain mythical style of football.

They had to bring in Teddy Sheringham because they were unhappy with how they were playing.

[Ger Regan]

Well if the question is who would get better results, allardyce or Sherwood, I'm not sure the could be much debate, could there? I don't want him as manager, but allardyce has an undeniably better record than Tim.

[Clampy]

Well if the question is who would get better results, allardyce or Sherwood, I'm not sure the could be much debate, could there? I don't want him as manager, but allardyce has an undeniably better record than Tim.

Of course he does, he's been a manager for over 20 years. Sherwood's been a manger for a season and a half.

[Ger Regan]

A season and a half in which he has seemingly learned precious little

[ChicagoLion]

As bad as things get, I would never wish for an Allardyce or Pullis. MON was about as Agricultural as I can stomach. When I am back I try to see the Villa,I honestly would not go if this happened.
Surely we are better than this.

[Clampy]

A season and a half in which he has seemingly learned precious little

20 years experience is better than having your first ever pre-season.

[SamTheMouse]

Although I might *cough* have *cough* said Pulis might be a *cough* good option to replace Lambert after the Hull debacle last season, that was because we were staring down the barrel of relegation. It was shit or bust, and Tiny Penis had performed a similar rescue job with Palace the previous season, before happily fucking off afterward. I envisaged much the same thing - certainly didn't see him as the future of the club.

But it's only September. If we were to get rid of Sherwood - and I don't think it's urgent yet - I'd hope we would look for someone much better than Allardyce.

To be honest, I didn't want Sherwood. I didn't want Lambert. I most definitely didn't want fucking McLeish. Houllier was the last appointment I was genuinely pleased with, and I kept on thinking that right up until he fell ill. I'd be delighted if our next manager was another schoolmasterly, cerebral, multilingual sort. I've just about had it up to here with good old-fashioned British blood and guts blokey types.

[Villa in Denmark]

Without wishing to be too provocative for those who are definitely in the keep camp is that in hope or expectation that it will get better?
For those who say expectation, what leads you to expect an improvement?

For the both the keep and  undecided what would tip you into the P45 camp?

[Witton Warrior]

For the both the keep and  undecided what would tip you into the P45 camp?

Undecided camp based on results - if we do not win a game in the next 2 months then I cannot see how I could argue for him staying. I want the Villa to 1/ not be in a relegation battle every year and 2/ play relatively attractive football - couldn't care less who the manager is if both those are met - I need  respite from this rubbish

[ciggiesnbeer]

Without wishing to be too provocative for those who are definitely in the keep camp is that in hope or expectation that it will get better?
For those who say expectation, what leads you to expect an improvement?

For the both the keep and  undecided what would tip you into the P45 camp?

Hope. That and I think it is unwise to dump a manager right after you have backed him to the tune of 50 million quid. Check with me again in a month or two though. Things do need to get better and I think I have learnt my Lambert lesson, I gave him WAY too much time for sure.

[Hookeysmith]

He certainly divides support. The calls for his head is ridiculous at the minute IMHO.  The likes of DiCanio were brutally honest about their own performance but was still shit. If he kept saying he has got it wrong the players will believe it. He has not blamed himself as much as he has not directly blamed individuals either. It was evident ghe players wanted shot of lambert they still look like hey want to play for TS

[cdward]

Without wishing to be too provocative for those who are definitely in the keep camp is that in hope or expectation that it will get better?
For those who say expectation, what leads you to expect an improvement?

For the both the keep and  undecided what would tip you into the P45 camp?

I'm in the keep camp. We are a work in progress, we have been crying out for years for some creativity in midfield, which we now have. Sherwood needs to find a settled team that knows how to win, and stop giving gifts to the opposition. Yes he has made mistakes, but he will learn. The players have also made mistakes, which have cost us. We are a better team than last season. We just need to win a few games. We will improve.

[eamonn]

That nickname for Tony Pulis, especially when casually thrown in while arguing a serious point makes me chuckle every time /immature.

[RussellC]

Without wishing to be too provocative for those who are definitely in the keep camp is that in hope or expectation that it will get better?
For those who say expectation, what leads you to expect an improvement?

For the both the keep and  undecided what would tip you into the P45 camp?

I'm in the keep camp. We are a work in progress, we have been crying out for years for some creativity in midfield, which we now have. Sherwood needs to find a settled team that knows how to win, and stop giving gifts to the opposition. Yes he has made mistakes, but he will learn. The players have also made mistakes, which have cost us. We are a better team than last season. We just need to win a few games. We will improve.

For me it's the margins. We could and should have picked up points at Palace and Leicester and a win at home to Sunderland. We're approaching each game with a plan, even if it's not working, which is more than I saw under Lambert. I'm convinced we'll pick up enough points to be safe. I also think that, if we do, we could feasibly have the first close season in a long time where we're able to build on what we've got, not worry about players leaving and little or no cash being made available to spend.