Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[Malandro]

We have all worked with people who are full of bull and have big mouths and they generally get away with it when things are going well. The problem comes when the bull continues and things start going badly. They get less sympathy and time because people can see their bullshit has covered for any semblance of talent.

That is Sherwoods problem.

He isnt throwing his gilet down now when we score is he?

He is trotting out excuses. Yesterdays press conference was awful. He has spent £40m and is aiming for 17th. Talking about survival after 7 games, you couldnt make it up. God knows what effect that has on the players morale. He is effectively saying we were shit, we are still shit and if we can hang on this season everything will be ok.

Joker of the highest degree.

Get rid and now please

Which of the new signings do you have a problem with?

I think the 40 million was spent very well. Getting them to gel in two months is difficult.

This isnt about the signings. Like you I think we have some decent players. i never wanted Lescott but his fee is a drop in the ocean. Clark was arguably our best players before getting injured at Spurs. He is superior to Lescott in my view.

So my issue wiith with the manager. A better manager would get more of our the team andthe tactics and team choices and subs as discussed ad nauseum on here recently are my gripe

There are plenty of occasions where you can point the finger at Sherwood, I agree. The substitutions, playing Westwood and Agbonlahor...
But most of the dropped points, I believe have been individual, stupid errors.

We have a new team and a new manager, both deserve time.

[LeeB]

Keeping Westy on corners etc is in itself a sackable offence.

Yes, that's clearly gross misconduct.

[Drummond]

No.

These new players haven't had a chance to gel yet. Last season's squad needed a huge overhaul. We should give him time to get it right.

[django]

He comes across as pretty honest to me.

One thing he definitely isn't is honest. He is straight out lying to say that he's said all along that we'll struggle. He's actually been saying the exact opposite. Even last season he wasn't talking about 'if we stay up'. He's feeling the pressure and transparently trying to deflect it elsewhere. His interviews only seem plausible if you didn't see the contradictory one he gave the previous week. That he thinks he can get away with this and keep his players on side is a big worry...it suggests that he has limited awareness of how people think...and that is a rather fundamental part of his job.

I understand manager not coming out and saying they've messed up, but his cover stories don't match up with the game we have all just seen.

Yesterday he said that we needed to keep things more tight, and on an individual basis you could look at all the goals and say there were individual errors and lapses of concentration. But the biggest problem yesterday was that by setting us up so deep and with an immobile lone striker, we just invited pressure back onto ourselves. If we hadn't played almost the whole team in our own half we wouldn't have put our defenders under the sort of sustained pressure that leads to those errors. The hardest thing to understand is that we played that way having started the game a goal down. At that point, keeping it tight is not going to help you to turn the game around.

[Monty]

Agreed Django, he's all about covering his tracks and deflecting blame from himself onto the players. Even if it's true, that's just no way to behave as a manager. If I were playing for him I'd think 'well fuck you, how about you come up with a better plan for us to work to, gobshite?'. It's just all about Sherwood, whatever happens.

[Malandro]

He comes across as pretty honest to me.

One thing he definitely isn't is honest. He is straight out lying to say that he's said all along that we'll struggle. He's actually been saying the exact opposite. Even last season he wasn't talking about 'if we stay up'. He's feeling the pressure and transparently trying to deflect it elsewhere. His interviews only seem plausible if you didn't see the contradictory one he gave the previous week. That he thinks he can get away with this and keep his players on side is a big worry...it suggests that he has limited awareness of how people think...and that is a rather fundamental part of his job.

I understand manager not coming out and saying they've messed up, but his cover stories don't match up with the game we have all just seen.

Yesterday he said that we needed to keep things more tight, and on an individual basis you could look at all the goals and say there were individual errors and lapses of concentration. But the biggest problem yesterday was that by setting us up so deep and with an immobile lone striker, we just invited pressure back onto ourselves. If we hadn't played almost the whole team in our own half we wouldn't have put our defenders under the sort of sustained pressure that leads to those errors. The hardest thing to understand is that we played that way having started the game a goal down. At that point, keeping it tight is not going to help you to turn the game around.

I imagine at Villa the main aim of the club is to stay up, like it or not.

Perhaps Sherwood really believed we'd avoid a relegation battle this year... But to suggest he's doing it to cover his own arse - I don't buy that he is that bothered about such ridiculous things.

Bullshitter, liar, chancer... He's just trying to do a pretty difficult job.

Poor guy can't help being a cockney.

[Ger Regan]

Trying to do a difficult job, and failing spectacularly.

[john e]

That's even more reason not to jump the gun after a poor start I suppose.

It's not just the poor start. Look at end of last season? He has been heralded as saving us however I would like to differ by saying that he almost relegated us. We were saved because Hull messed up.

sorry but this is revisionism of the highest order
he came in when we were on our knees, absolutely fucked, posters begging for Pulis or Alardyce as the only hopes of salvation, playing the most rotten football a lot of us have ever seen,

he totally changed the atmosphere around the club, got us scoring got us playing better football, results picked up enough to just get us over the line so he's not just heralded as saving us, he actually did it against all odds,
if we are honest and cast our minds back to when Lambert left we were deep in the shit, on many levels, Sherwood against many peoples opinion including mine came and turned it round, that is what happened, he performed a minor miracle here last season and anyone saying otherwise was deluded about our plight back then

so the only thing we actually know he can do is stop us from going down, its whether he can build a proper team and get us up the league a bit
to early to call for his head yet in my view, I mean obviously I would swap him for klopp, but I don't think that's going to happen, and the other usual suspect is just to soul destroying to think about

[Taylor]

I think some people are far too precious. The guy is obviously confident in his own ability (like every manager)and voiced this confidence before the season started. We now find ourselves in a tough situation and he is giving an honest account of our predicament. Give him a break, and some time. We have lost a few games, every time by the odd goal. Under Lambert we couldn't even score.

We'll beat Stoke. Gulp.

[kippaxvilla2]

There's no doubt that he is a Barry Bullshitter at times.  I mean there was the time he said that Adama wouldn't be seen much this season then promptly came on as sub the next day and started the following game.

[Risso]

I agree John, he did a great job in keeping us up, and you're right he gave the whole club a lift after 3 years of that incompetent turd Lambert.  But that doesn't mean he's going to work out as anything other than a short term caretaker type, I just don't think he's got the skills or ability to be successful long term I'm afraid.  I could be wrong but it's not looking very promising.  I think we could be deep in the brown stuff by the time October has finished, as I can't see us getting more than 3 points from the next 4 games.

[AlexAlexCropley]

This poll is tight.I think he's nuts, which doesn't bother me if he goes with a swashbuckling style every match, you know, we won't win every game , but by the beard of Zeus we played with positivity and élan to try
But no, this is back to fear football and that is not football.

[Toronto Villa]

I agree John, he did a great job in keeping us up, and you're right he gave the whole club a lift after 3 years of that incompetent turd Lambert.  But that doesn't mean he's going to work out as anything other than a short term caretaker type, I just don't think he's got the skills or ability to be successful long term I'm afraid.  I could be wrong but it's not looking very promising.  I think we could be deep in the brown stuff by the time October has finished, as I can't see us getting more than 3 points from the next 4 games.

For me it is the skills and ability which is why I dismiss the whole experience thing. Now, could he develop the skills and ability over a period of time? Off course. But at PL it is really difficult. For me he isn't showing an ability to make good decisions ands learn from the poor ones. He isn't displaying any humility in defeat or it certainty never comes across that way. I didn't care about it so much last season because it wasn't his team/squad and he had to say some things to get them fired up. This is his squad now and he has to show he's a part of the growth and not just the players. With better decisions we've played well enough at times in almost all of the games to be at least 5 or 6 points better off. Liverpool are garbage yet he took the cowards containment approach to start the game, and got stung straight away. I hate it, because I want to impose on the opponent. He even took that approach against Blues.

We just got rid of this in Lambert and I fully supported Sherwood because his attitude was the exact opposite of Lambert. Now he is becoming him.

[JUAN PABLO]

Team for Stoke

--------- Guzan ---------

Hutton Richards Clark amavi

--- Gana -------- Sanchez --

Vertout ------------- Grealish
---- Ayew ------- Gestede ---

Should have been the team yesterday

[JUAN PABLO]

Just watched the interview, thats a bigger u turn than delph.