Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[PeterWithe]

The thing is as I've said on another thread our problems seem to go beyond who the manager is. So I'm not sure changing him will make a blind bit of difference.

It is strange that we can change the manager, backroom staff, administrative management and most of the players but the underlying meekness and lack of character remains.

[Gareth]

I don't want him sacked yet, I just wish he would get away from this obsession with 433 we are not physically strong enough to carry 3 forward players from the start of games....by all means finish the games with that but you have to earn your way into it which means secure at the back with enough numbers in midfield to make it hard for the opposition.

The centre of our midfield (the position mgr & assistant should know best!!) never ever looks commanding, at best we look like we are treading water in there.

Sherwood is the one tasked with getting the balance right, can't think of a single time since Wembley mk1 where I've felt the team looked solid.  Even 2nd half Tuesday was off the cuff rather than feeling structured.

Where does the sporting director fit into this equation, is he in Sherwoods ear letting him know that results need to improve or are we doing a Lambert and letting him have free reign until the edge of the precipice is reached?

[Rudy65]

Having a 'Sherwood-Get Rid' is all a bit, well Albion really.

You were there mate what was the opinion?

There wasn't anyone singing 'Sherwood Out', put it that way. I could probably understand this thread if it was around December and we were in a similar position. McLeish didn't get put any pressure until March time but Sherwood is getting it already, it's ridiculous.

From memory we had a fairly decent start with McLeish and is was only when the form slumped he got some stick

[Lastfootstamper]

Having a 'Sherwood-Get Rid' is all a bit, well Albion really.

You were there mate what was the opinion?

There wasn't anyone singing 'Sherwood Out', put it that way. I could probably understand this thread if it was around December and we were in a similar position. McLeish didn't get put any pressure until March time but Sherwood is getting it already, it's ridiculous.

McLeish didn't because he'd put 11 points on the board by now.
Even Lambert got 5, then 10, then 10 again.
Given how we all saw the way those seasons panned out, I don't think it's too ridiculous for people to start reacting.

[Risso]

Exactly, this is our worst start since we last got relegated, and given that Sherwood is following on from Lambert, that takes some doing.

[aj2k77]

Did you seriously expect us to win away at Anfield today?

I don't get this attitude. On that basis we have to write off 80% of the fixtures this season and only turn up for Norwich, Bournemouth etc at home. We've seen it grow from ''do you expect us to beat Liverpool'' to '' do you expect us to beat Swansea away'' to '' do you expect us to beat Palace'', somewhere it has to stop and yes I do expect us to get some results somewhere other than beating Bournemouth and other relegation candidates at home.

[Olof's Beard]

It doesn't take long in the Villa job before a manager starts getting his excuses in.

Sherwood said after the cup final that he would bring in proven winners to change the mentality of the club. He also said that we wouldn't be in this position again. Now, suddenly, a season of struggle was all part of the plan because we have too many 'young players'.  Well let's look at the age of the team yesterday:

Guzan 31
Hutton 30
Richards 26
Lescott 33
Amavi 21
Westwood 25
Sanchez 29
Gana 25
Gestede 26
Sinclair 26
Grealish 20

These managers really do think we're stupid don't they?

[Risso]

Did you seriously expect us to win away at Anfield today?

I don't get this attitude. On that basis we have to write off 80% of the fixtures this season and only turn up for Norwich, Bournemouth etc at home. We've seen it grow from ''do you expect us to beat Liverpool'' to '' do you expect us to beat Swansea away'' to '' do you expect us to beat Palace'', somewhere it has to stop and yes I do expect us to get some results somewhere other than beating Bournemouth and other relegation candidates at home.

I don't expect us to combine two decent halves of football these days, let alone actually win a match against most teams, and I'm fed up with it.

[CJ]

It doesn't take long in the Villa job before a manager starts getting his excuses in.

Sherwood said after the cup final that he would bring in proven winners to change the mentality of the club. He also said that we wouldn't be in this position again. Now, suddenly, a season of struggle was all part of the plan because we have too many 'young players'.  Well let's look at the age of the team yesterday:

Guzan 31
Hutton 30
Richards 26
Lescott 33
Amavi 21
Westwood 25
Sanchez 29
Gana 25
Gestede 26
Sinclair 26
Grealish 20

These managers really do think we're stupid don't they?

Beat me to it Olof's Beard - when I heard Sherwood talking about so many kids on MOTD I thought it was bullshit and I was going to do exactly what you have done. He's making himself look a bit stupid now

[aj2k77]

There have been signs in matches under him, including this season (bar a couple of matches), where we've looked like we're more than capable of doing ok.

It's not even October.

Without getting peoples backs up (and I'm aware the next few words will do this), but how many people wanting him to go have watched us play under him (matches, not highlights)?

I think we've played better this season that at this point last season (and the seasons before that), but presume we're on less points (?). I feel more optimistic now than I did this time last season.

10 points in the first four games gave us a cushion last season. Its the opposite now and as things stand I dont see where the next win is coming from

after that run we have played 41 games and got 32 points

We have less than a point a game over the last over the last 159 league games, relegation form for 4 years solid, somehow by the grace of some higher being we've manager to avoid the chopping block but it won't keep happening. Eventually we are going to need more than 36/37pts per season or we are gone.

[puppyfeat]

It doesn't take long in the Villa job before a manager starts getting his excuses in.

Sherwood said after the cup final that he would bring in proven winners to change the mentality of the club. He also said that we wouldn't be in this position again. Now, suddenly, a season of struggle was all part of the plan because we have too many 'young players'.  Well let's look at the age of the team yesterday:

Guzan 31
Hutton 30
Richards 26
Lescott 33
Amavi 21
Westwood 25
Sanchez 29
Gana 25
Gestede 26
Sinclair 26
Grealish 20

These managers really do think we're stupid don't they?

Beat me to it Olof's Beard - when I heard Sherwood talking about so many kids on MOTD I thought it was bullshit and I was going to do exactly what you have done. He's making himself look a bit stupid now

Even if they were the bunch of callow youths he claims, that's no excuse either - the youngest team in the PL right now are in first place!
Really he's just clutching at straws, looking for excuses to hide his own ineptitude. I'd give him another couple of months but if there hasn't been a significant improvement by then he'll have to go.

[rob_bridge]

Hopelessly out of his depth

[Steve67]

It's very early days, seven games in. However, this is his side now and he needs around twenty games to get them playing together. I DO think he has made mistakes. Not bringing in a couple of premier league old lags for instance, one of them to play in the centre of the park, where, I feel we are most vulnerable, is an error of judgement. That said, Gana and Veretout may turn out to be that player.  He needs his players fit and ready for this standard. He needs to settle on a formation but be prepared to alter during a game if it isn't working. He also needs to take a look at those around him. Robson and Wilkins. What are they offering, is there anything better out there?

We have some class players. Grealish, Traore, Gana, Richards, Gil. If he wants to fit them all into one side then 433 is probably the way to go but also to understand that whilst we may look attractive going forward, we are also vulnerable as Gil, Traore and Grealish can't defend for shit so the two in the centre of the park, and the centre backs, need to be way more solid, organized and reliable that they have been so far. For me, that means Westwood and Lescott miss out. Clark in for Lescott. Give TISH until Christmas, then we will know far more about him and his team.

[DB]

Having a 'Sherwood-Get Rid' is all a bit, well Albion really.

You were there mate what was the opinion?

Yes, those managers at least had a decent record at other clubs in the past but Tim does not have anything, why some people (me included) think he is a chancer.
There wasn't anyone singing 'Sherwood Out', put it that way. I could probably understand this thread if it was around December and we were in a similar position. McLeish didn't get put any pressure until March time but Sherwood is getting it already, it's ridiculous.

McLeish didn't because he'd put 11 points on the board by now.
Even Lambert got 5, then 10, then 10 again.
Given how we all saw the way those seasons panned out, I don't think it's too ridiculous for people to start reacting.

[DB]

Sorry, f***ed up that last post...hangover.