Leicester City v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Legion]

Can't we just sub-contract out to Carragher?

[warleyboy]

Piss poor substitutes, real lack of vision from Tim.
Everybody watching the game could see what needed to happen after our second goal.

I'm tired and about had enough of football, after following villa for 31 years, I honestly feel I cannot watch anymore.
I can see us pulling a draw on Saturday and we are getting beaten by the knuckledraggers.
Let's face facts, we have a manager who wears his heart on his sleeve, but has the tactics of a chimpanzee lumping turds.

I can't believe I'm saying it, I've given myself the following day to calm down, but I'm done.
I ain't spending anymore of my hard earned money and time on this team.
Absolutely disgraceful, think Tims going to frustrate many fans thus season.

I can't believe you're saying it. Yes the 2nd half capitulation yesterday was a disgrace, but to give up on the new team after 5 games I find amazing.

Unfortunately, that is how I feel, and I am still in that frame of mind.
I cannot imagine how much I have pumped into Villa, I'm just tired of it all.
Yes, they will need time to gel, I'm not naive, but yesterday was ludicrous.
TS is starting to worry me with his reading of a game of football, substitutions being the major cause for concern.
He won't get long from the villa faithful if this keeps happening.

[silhillvilla]

We've got enough coaches on board I firmly believe during game one of them should be sat up in the stands to get a better view of the play than being sat in the dugout where let's face it you can't see brilliantly the bigger picture.
I'd rather Robson or Wilkins in the stands with an earpiece into the dugout.

I'm still bloody fuming over this one. Pathetic.

[Matt Collins]

Vardy Goal Fuck Up 1:
Lescott got caught out of position but I was more concerned by that Mayrez was allowed to run so far unchallenged with the ball and take Ayew, Jack, Amavi and Sanchez out of the game, and then lay off the ball to be crossed with their man having also moved in to space with none of them tracking his run.

Vardy Goal Fuck Up 2:
Both Richards and Bacuna failing to get a foot on the low cross allowing Vardy to tap in past Guzan glued to his goal line.

I agree with the first point. The constant them was them running at us from deep unchallenged.

But once you whip a ball across the six yard box from that close in, it's incredibly difficult to defend. Similar with the third. People are blaming Richards, but Mahrez had all the time in the world to pick a pass from thirty yards out. In that situation it's incredibly difficult to defend a good defence splitting pass to a guy making a run from deep.

[old man villa fan]

Having read through the whole thread it is interesting to gauge reactions and comments.  After defeat you will always get the 1 hour after final whistle bitter criticisms which can be knee-jerk reaction, with it settling down later with some sensible positive comments.  However disappointed I may be with a result, I try not to get drawn in to posting comments and ending up in a battle of the posts with others on who did what or, usually, who didn't do what.

People always have their favourites and have to have somebody to be the fall guy but football is a team game which includes not only those on the pitch but the players and management on the sidelines.  I do not think anybody came out of the match with any credit for the last 20 minutes.  Leicester are not a team of exceptional players but they play with desire, enthusiasm and at pace when they can see a chance.  You have to kill them off when you have the chance and Sherwood was right in saying that the game was won at 70 minutes.  He clearly did not mean it literally but at 2-0, you should not be losing it.

As somebody else commented, we were caught yesterday with not good options from the bench.  Having lost Gana, we had no defensive midfield cover for Sanchez and Westwood who would tire as the game progressed.  Sherwood should have had a plan for this eventuality as it would have been a high probability.  Rightly in my opinion, somebody commented that Veretout being thrown on in that position would have been the equivalent of throwing Ayew into the game.  We are still short in central midfield when we have injuries, so there has to be another plan.  One that could have been used was to bring on Clark and go with 3 centre backs, allowing the fullbacks to push out wider and a bit further forward.  We have also seen Clark playing defensive midfield earlier in his career and either him or Ilori should be considered as players sitting infront of the defence when we need to try and close the game up.

One of our main problems is that we are too lightweight.  We have too few players that can put their foot in and we are liable to be got at defensively as we were yesterday.  When they start to tire physically and mentally it is the likes of Grealish, Gill, Sinclair and even Westwood drift out of the game.

I am not convinced at all with Bacuna at right back for the reasons others have mentioned and I do not see Hutton being the answer.  Defensively, he lose concentration and allows players to get goalside of him from crosses.  He was as much at fault as Guzan for the 3rd goal as he allowed Dyer to get in front of him.  Hutton is a big bloke and will not be knocked off the ball if he gets himself in the right position first.  The same thing happened at home to Stoke last season.  I know the next two matches are high pressure derby games but I would be inclined to give Ilori a go there if he is up to speed with fitness.

Sherwood was right in that all 3 goals came from individual errors, either directly in the finish or in the build up.  Mistakes are not the manager's fault, other than him drumming into players that they should not mess around with the ball, although even somebody of Lescott's experience was guilty of it, so it is easier said than done.  Sherwood had been trying to talk up Gabby's confidence all week and I was disappointed that he didn't take on the chance rather than playing that poor pass across goal to Sinclair.

As I said earlier, nobody came out with any credit for the final 20 minutes but as long as they all learn from it, we can move on.  We should not lose sight of the positives from the first half when we dominated the game and with a bit more composure, we could have gone in a couple of goals ahead.

[Matt Collins]

There were plenty of options better than what we did.

Hutton at right back with Bacuna in front of him

Clark at left back with Amavi ditto. Clark as a third centre back for the last 10 mins. Veretout in midfield - at least he'd have run around and worked hard, and known the position.

TBH even Richardson would have been a more logical choice than Ayew or Gestede.

[silhillvilla]

Bringing Ayew on was pure self indulgence from sherwood .
Stupid beyond belief.

[old man villa fan]

Bringing Ayew on was pure self indulgence from sherwood .
Stupid beyond belief.

A mistake on what was needed, yes but self indulgence is just rubbish.

[The Edge]

I think it's all been said about TS bizarre choice of substitutions and tactical naivety when staring victory in the face. I'd just like to register my opinions on a couple of players. Firstly Guzan. Sherwood knew he couldn't trust him after his calamitous performance v man c last year, used Given thereafter yet for some reason chose not to replace in the summer.Guzan repaid his manager by allowing a fuckin midget to mug him off for the winner v Leicester.Second Sanchez. 99% a quality player but again T'S knows he can't trust him not to make a costly mistake EVERY game. Thirdly.Ayew.He @ 12 m? WTF?

[AV82EC]

I think it's all been said about TS bizarre choice of substitutions and tactical naivety when staring victory in the face. I'd just like to register my opinions on a couple of players. Firstly Guzan. Sherwood knew he couldn't trust him after his calamitous performance v man c last year, used Given thereafter yet for some reason chose not to replace in the summer.Guzan repaid his manager by allowing a fuckin midget to mug him off for the winner v Leicester.Second Sanchez. 99% a quality player but again T'S knows he can't trust him not to make a costly mistake EVERY game. Thirdly.Ayew.He @ 12 m? WTF?

Is Bono as much of a ****** in real life as he is on the TV?

[Olof's Beard]

Richardson should have come on and been told to sit on Mahrez, simple as that. I didn't realise he was on the bench to be honest, but since I saw that he was, I am convinced that was the logical choice. He could have played in that channel where Mahrez was doing the damage. It was clearly a better shot that throwing on a couple of forwards who are still finding their feet.

I have seen a lot of people in the media (plus Richards) saying we are a new team and it will take a time. It's worth pointing out that the entire front six were all here under Lambert, and only three players who arrived in the summer started. Two were the centre backs, who most would agree weren't the problem (especially Richards) and they have also played together before so shouldn't have too bad a case of new player syndrome. Of course our slightly dim manager threw on a couple of new players at the wrong time, when he had two or three experienced players he could have turned to instead. I like Sherwood but it was absolutely idiotic, and I am still angry.

[KRS]

Yep Veretout or Richardson could have done a job man marking Mahrez in the middle of the park...they are both fit enough to bust a gut for half hour and would have nullified most of their attacking threat. Clark and Hutton should have also been utilised to see out the game leaving either Gabby or Sinclair as the pace outlet up front. Hindsight is a bitch.

[Hookeysmith]

Anyone watching MNF on Sky would just have seen Carragher give us a proper schooling on tactical naivety at 2-1 up... Westwood so recklessly attack-minded it's illogical, gap to Sanchez huge and meant our individual errors in giving balls away for 2nd and 3rd goals were compounded. That's where Wilkins on board should be our strength, recognising and preventing that

To be honest its ok being in a studio 24 hrs after the event and having the wisdom of probably an army of backroom analysts creating your script. Its not the same as standing in a ground level dug out is it in real time. These ex pro's do my head in and reminds me of the old adage

"Those that can, do
those that can't , teach"

Although the game I must admit was lost due to managerial errors we have to accept that Sherwood is as new and inexperienced as half of the team are playing together - time will tell if he learns from the mistakes
Overall I much prefer watching this brand of football that the shite we had to endure for the last 4 years

[Brend'Watkins]

Piss poor substitutes, real lack of vision from Tim.
Everybody watching the game could see what needed to happen after our second goal.

I'm tired and about had enough of football, after following villa for 31 years, I honestly feel I cannot watch anymore.
I can see us pulling a draw on Saturday and we are getting beaten by the knuckledraggers.
Let's face facts, we have a manager who wears his heart on his sleeve, but has the tactics of a chimpanzee lumping turds.

I can't believe I'm saying it, I've given myself the following day to calm down, but I'm done.
I ain't spending anymore of my hard earned money and time on this team.
Absolutely disgraceful, think Tims going to frustrate many fans thus season.

I can't believe you're saying it. Yes the 2nd half capitulation yesterday was a disgrace, but to give up on the new team after 5 games I find amazing.

Unfortunately, that is how I feel, and I am still in that frame of mind.
I cannot imagine how much I have pumped into Villa, I'm just tired of it all.
Yes, they will need time to gel, I'm not naive, but yesterday was ludicrous.
TS is starting to worry me with his reading of a game of football, substitutions being the major cause for concern.
He won't get long from the villa faithful if this keeps happening.

Why would something start to worry you if you've given up on it? 

[TonyD]

Sherwood guilty as charged on this one.  The subs were beyond comprehension.  Really really concerning as I don't think a single person watching the game made sense of them.   Another few managerial moments like this and the TS is a chancer camp will have proved thier case.