Leicester City v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Clampy]

Sherwood does seem to be getting outdone with other teams subs, and has been making a few odd ones of his own. If Gil was injured, then fine but bringing on another striker was madness. The game was won, we didn't need to go and win it. Let''s hope it's a lesson we learn from next time we go 2-0.

[Virgil Caine]

Apart from the worrying fitness levels Sherwood has got to find the correct balance between graft and guile. I believe that if Gana had been playing yesterday then the capitulation in Midfield would not have happened. A team can carry the likes of Grealish and Gil if they are allowed to focus on what they are good at. Sanchez and Gana should be able to give  the team the backbone it obviously needs.

[David_Nab]

I need to see it again but the first goal came about from Lescott faffing about on the ball now was that coz he had no options or the option he had Bacuna he didnt trust to pass too ?

What is also clear that despite changing players and mangers Villa as a whole still has an issue that we cant see out games or deal with teams pressurizing us.

Sticking Ayew on when we need to keep the ball was as poor a sub as you will see.Was Ayew brought so Nzogbia wouldnt be the most useless sub 10mil player in the squad ...

The players made individual mistakes because they were under pressure all second half and the managers job is to change the course of the game.Ranneri sid it and Pardew did it a few weeks ago.I dont buy this Sherwood is still learning crap either ..he has been in the game decades and is in his mid 40s i dare say it there are people on this site in thier 20s or younger who's could see the issues and that the subs where not going to work..if he cant ( and he says his subs were right ) then that is a big worry.

[warleyboy]

Piss poor substitutes, real lack of vision from Tim.
Everybody watching the game could see what needed to happen after our second goal.

I'm tired and about had enough of football, after following villa for 31 years, I honestly feel I cannot watch anymore.
I can see us pulling a draw on Saturday and we are getting beaten by the knuckledraggers.
Let's face facts, we have a manager who wears his heart on his sleeve, but has the tactics of a chimpanzee lumping turds.

I can't believe I'm saying it, I've given myself the following day to calm down, but I'm done.
I ain't spending anymore of my hard earned money and time on this team.
Absolutely disgraceful, think Tims going to frustrate many fans thus season.

[Malandro]

I'm not sure how you can give up on a new team, new manager after 5 or so games.

[Gregorys Boy]

Yes a total shambles of a second half.  We should have won the game from the position we were in, or at least held out for a point.  I think the players were found out again with very sloppy mistakes and like last season we seem to struggle to play well consistently throughout a game.  The manager too was found out.  I actually think taking Gabby off may have been the biggest error. Anyway Sherwood sounded deflected after the game, but he is the one who has to pick them up so the next couple of weeks will be a big test. 

The pressue will be on to beat West Brom and the Blues at home, if we get those results then maybe we can build from there, if not then things might start looking a bit desparate again.

Think we are not too far off attacking wise, we have a nice balance with the creative and pacy players, we do need more a clinical striker, but the main issues seem still to be controlling the game better in midfield and shutting a game out.  We need to cut out those sloppy mistakes at the back too.  If we don't improve in those areas then I think we will be down there again this season.

[manic-road]

I wonder if the double training sessions that TS spoke about the other week are having a detrimental effect on the players physical condition during the final 20-30 minutes of each game, woke up this morning still feeling like shit after watching our collapse yesterday.

[Gregorys Boy]

I wonder if the double training sessions that TS spoke about the other week are having a detrimental effect on the players physical condition during the final 20-30 minutes of each game, woke up this morning still feeling like shit after watching our collapse yesterday.

Doubt it.  I don't buy the lack of fitness angle anyway.  Its more down to sloppy mistakes and lack of leadership for me.

[Villatillidie1982]

6 defeats in the last 8 games. Sherwood's luck is running out fast. Why take off Gil after he scored that goal? Scared he might get another and have no excuse not to play him regularly?

[Drummond]

6 defeats in the last 8 games. Sherwood's luck is running out fast. Why take off Gil after he scored that goal? Scared he might get another and have no excuse not to play him regularly?

Is that a serious question?

[AVH87]

6 defeats in the last 8 games. Sherwood's luck is running out fast. Why take off Gil after he scored that goal? Scared he might get another and have no excuse not to play him regularly?

Sherwood said on the official site that Gil was feeling his recent knock a little bit. Could be true, could be Sherwood trying to protect his own back knowing he got the sub totally wrong.

[mr underhill]

I'm with warleyboy here; irrespective of team, tactics, formation or manager we've been shite for five years. A perpetual groundhog day of mediocrity.

[amfy]

it is always going to be easier for a manager to make substitutions to correct a game that is going badly, than during one that is going well. When  things are going badly, there is a concrete vision of what needs to change. This is at least the second time recently that I have seen an opposition manager make the necessary adjustments at around the half way mark - having had half an hour or so to think about it - and Sherwood fail to respond appropriately, probably because his response has to be more immediate. It is harder, but clearly not a unique position for a manager - clearly, other managers do see games out when they are on top & so has Sherwood on occasion.

A clear example for me (without even starting on substitutions) is that I watched us play the ball out of defence in intricate deft little triangles in the first half, and found it both brilliant and terrifying at the same time. My response as a Leicester fan would be 'FFS - Get into them!' - and I am pretty sure some paraphrase of that would also be in Ranieri's half time instructions - certainly in the second half they did just that. At the same time I think the Villa players possibly not only became physically tired, but mentally tired, and their concentration was no longer good enough to play like this. This is the point where we had a 2 goal lead, the imperative to build attacks from the back was no longer there because we had our lead. A 'safety first' approach should have come into play - hoof it up the pitch or into row Z if necessary, if nothing else it wastes 30 seconds at a time (and is physical recovery time) Of course the ball comes back in, but high where we have a chance of picking up the bits. If we are losing the ball on the ground because we are pissing about trying to be Barcelona in our own third when it is no longer working, the ball can be in our own net far too quickly.

...so overall, he needs to think beyond how he wants us to play, and be looking at the opposition bench & team when we are on top and thinking 'What would I do if I was him, and what will I do when he does that?' - He doesn't appear to be doing that at the moment. I think that could be termed complacency.

On the other hand - pre season we all looked at all the changes and thought we would need to be patient, and that the team would take time to gel, and after 5 games it seems many are worried how long it is going to take. Personally - I always thought in terms of November/Christmas, so I find the panic amongst us after 5 games fairly baffling. For me, the clear positive is very much that they actually do seem to have gelled. For 45 minutes yesterday we looked very good, and very co-ordinated. This didn't look like a team waiting to be introduced to each other, they actually seemed to instinctively know where each other were, and were able to move the ball very quickly and effectively. I really do wonder whether mental rather than physical tiredness is a factor in holding this together for 90 minutes, and it may sort itself about as this comes more naturally to them. The dodgy collapses clearly have to be sorted, but I think this worries me less than if they were still just looking as disjointed as I thought they'd be at this stage (more frustrating though!)

[oldhill_avfc]

Sanchez was pretty solid upto about 60 mins then morphed into Sanchez 2014 model, loose passing, no awareness, monumental errors. It was painful viewing.

He's struggling with fitness still. I just worry whether he'll ever get up to the level required to go 90 minutes every game. I have to give the benefit of doubt at the moment because he was late back to pre-season without much of a break, and he's just been on international duty. I would hope come Oct/Nov he won't be dying on his arse at 60 minutes.

Yes his lack of stamina is very worrying but in fairness Westwood and himself should never ever play in a 2 man midfield. Thought Grealish and Sinclair went missing for us too in the second half. Not good enough.

Wasn't all that impressed with the Richards, Lescott combo either. All in all we descended into an absolute rabble, made infinitely worse by the subs. Hutton was pretty shite too but not sure why he was dropped as was one of our better players v Sunderland.

Got no problems with any 2-man combination of Gueye/Westwood/Sanchez - but - you have to have to bring on fresh legs after about an hour. 

We saw it all last season, and I didn't even need to see yesterdays game to know that on hearing the headline 'Leicester overturn 2 goal defecit' that the 2 holding midfielders had been over run and left the defence exposed.

[john e]

haven't posted on here since the final whistle, felt more gutted and disappointed  than when we had the no show at Wembley, it was hard to take

if you had to explain to someone who new nothing about football what supporting Villa was like over the last 20 years you could just show that match and say that's what its like in a nutshell

I don't know why but we just cant take pressure,
 its been the same for years, we just collapse when we have been doing ok, good players seem to lose all sense of their football ability and turn into worrying numties, the whole team not just one or two, everyone collectively making bad decisions on the pitch

after Leicester had scored their 3rd goal, we barely created a chance, can you imagine that the other way around, we would have endured 10 minutes of bombardment, stress levels through the roof, nail biting shit that we would all suffer, they didn't, they strolled it

the subs and individual mistakes all over the pitch have been covered on here to death, I agree with all that,
 but the tragedy is for about an hour we were playing great football controlling the game, and I said at the time 3 points away to Leicester and it will really kick start the season, only to be plunged back into gloom and doom 30 minutes later

Mahrez just took the piss, and we let him

lots to be positive about in the first hour, lots to be really pissed of about in the last 25 minutes

both of our goals were crackers, especially Gills