Aston Villa vs Manchester United Post-Match thread

[SoccerHQ]

benteke would have made no difference tonight as we created sweet FA

Benteke got us a goal out of nothing v Man. United last year. These sort of games where we're creating little ansd he'd get a goal out of nothing.

Such a brilliant forward, Gestede is too limited to do it on his own so with Kozak not rated we need another striker in before August 31st.

[silhillvilla]

Weimann scored v Yanited the other season too, do you want him back too

[villan from luton]

Oh, and Mike Dean is a stone-cold wanker... how that mugging of Richards was not given as a penalty is beyond me... except that it would have been making a call against ManUre and we would not want that now, would we?

And the way he let them run the clock Dow, last 2 mins plus injury time and hardly any play.

I chuckled at just 3 minutes injury time...yes there wasn't any goals or many stoppages but if we were winning 1 nil with exactly the same game flow it would've been 5 minutes minimum.

Rooney must have spent more minutes moaning than my missus does to me on a sober night (her sober, not me lol)

[PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt]

Guzan - Not really had much to do.
Bacuna - If he is going to be our right back then i'm going to make a return from retirement. Poor decision making, poor positioning - He ain't a right back!
Amavi - A couple of errors, but looks the business going forwards and backwards
Richards - Shouldn't have gone to ground for their goal, that aside I thought he looked good
Clark - Did well when called upon. Distribution average at times when going long.
Vertout - Ineefective and off the pace - needs time and more fitness work by the looks of it.
Gueyes - Very good on the whole, worry about the amount of bookings he'll get
Westwood - Did well on the whole, neat touches and held the shape of the midfield at times.
Sinclair - Didn't really get much service, didn't really deserve to go off either
Gabby - Personally I'd give him until November to find some form or sell him in January. His pace doesn't even frighten teams now as he doesn't do much when he does get behind. His cross when out wide in the second half is my example.
Ayew - Obviously needs time, didn't really see him do anything of any quality. Didn't like the dive either.

Gestede - Did ok, but surely when he plays we need to have him up with a striker and two wide players to get in crosses? 4-3-3 allows us no width and doesn't play to his strength.
Sanchez - Did well I thought, maybe needs to start instead of Vertout who needs more time to get used to the pace, maybe in 20/25 minute patches this will help.

[KRS]

Far too slow, sloppy and a lack of ideas...all indicative of a team of new players that need time to gel, used to playing the game at a much slower pace and general lack of fitness. They aren't going to become a good team over night, and time on the training and more games are the only things that will improve us.

I have concerns over our forward options...only Gestede looks like he can score a goal. Ayew hasn't shown anything but needs the benefit of the doubt, Kozak isn't good enough...and Gabby "HeDoesFuckAll"...well, he's just a shit waste of space. We need a genuine quality proven striker to compliment the rest of the potential in this new young team.

Amavi, Gueye and Richards are the stand out players so far...Veretout needs to get fit and up his game.

Looking to the positives...we will carry so much more of a goal threat with Adama and Jack on the pitch.
 

[Percy McCarthy]

I've heard a few suggestions recently that we're a better team without Benteke. Anyone still think that after tonight?

I'm not making any judgments on the new guys (apart from Amavi and Gana/Gueye being class), just saying we badly miss the goals Benteke guaranteed us.

Let's see if we can finish sixteenth. Then we'll know for sure that we're a better team.

[Virgil Caine]

Just got back to Bedfordshire after the match having taken 4 hours to get there, got a parking ticket outside the Kababish pre match, missed the kick off and the mosaic, saw a fairly ordinary game but not too disheartened until I got back to the car to find window smashed and trivial items stolen. Drove back with plenty of fresh air and bizarrely a degree of optimism, early days but I know this is going to be a better season.

The Kababish was, suffice to say, at its usual high standard.

[silhillvilla]

Just got back to Bedfordshire after the match having taken 4 hours to get there, got a parking ticket outside the Kababish pre match, missed the kick off and the mosaic, saw a fairly ordinary game but not too disheartened until I got back to the car to find window smashed and trivial items stolen. Drove back with plenty of fresh air and bizarrely a degree of optimism, early days but I know this is going to be a better season.

The Kababish was, suffice to say, at its usual high standard.

Sorry to hear that pal, can I ask where you parked? We had a spate of this last season too

[villan from luton]

Just got back to Bedfordshire after the match having taken 4 hours to get there, got a parking ticket outside the Kababish pre match, missed the kick off and the mosaic, saw a fairly ordinary game but not too disheartened until I got back to the car to find window smashed and trivial items stolen. Drove back with plenty of fresh air and bizarrely a degree of optimism, early days but I know this is going to be a better season.

The Kababish was, suffice to say, at its usual high standard.

Can I ask in Bedfordshire you are please? I live just north of Luton, from Brum originally.

[Dan England]

Guzan - Not really had much to do.
Bacuna - If he is going to be our right back then i'm going to make a return from retirement. Poor decision making, poor positioning - He ain't a right back!
Amavi - A couple of errors, but looks the business going forwards and backwards
Richards - Shouldn't have gone to ground for their goal, that aside I thought he looked good
Clark - Did well when called upon. Distribution average at times when going long.
Vertout - Ineefective and off the pace - needs time and more fitness work by the looks of it.
Gueyes - Very good on the whole, worry about the amount of bookings he'll get
Westwood - Did well on the whole, neat touches and held the shape of the midfield at times.
Sinclair - Didn't really get much service, didn't really deserve to go off either
Gabby - Personally I'd give him until November to find some form or sell him in January. His pace doesn't even frighten teams now as he doesn't do much when he does get behind. His cross when out wide in the second half is my example.
Ayew - Obviously needs time, didn't really see him do anything of any quality. Didn't like the dive either.

Gestede - Did ok, but surely when he plays we need to have him up with a striker and two wide players to get in crosses? 4-3-3 allows us no width and doesn't play to his strength.
Sanchez - Did well I thought, maybe needs to start instead of Vertout who needs more time to get used to the pace, maybe in 20/25 minute patches this will help.

Nail on head pretty much. Only disagree on the fact that gabby has had plenty of opportunities in the last 18 months and has done next to nothing,  why waste another 3 months. On the whole there were more positives than negatives out of today's game.

For palace I would swap Gestede for Gabby,  sanchez for Westwood and hope to have one of gill, Grealish or traore in for Ayew. Ayew to replace Sinclair after an hour or so.

[ozzjim]

Gestede, Sanchez, Grealish for Gabby, Veretout, Ayew for me. Leave Sinclair in and give Ayew and Veretout some time coming from the bench.

[robbo1874]

Just read the last couple of pages here and comments elsewhere and amazing how they differ. Personally, I thought we were average and they were just above us until they scored and it was fairly comfortable for them then. I thought Ayew was average, but showed more than Gabby who I have to say was awful. Vertout was very poor but is he a right midfielder and I think his touch at Bournemouth showed he is a proper talent, looked tired but the pace is different. Gureye wasn't as bad as Neville said, but will learn and looks a good prospect. Richards was good, should have done better with the goal IMO. Amavi I really like. Lets give the players a few games to gel and see how we go please, Man Ure were pretty poor themselves tonight as well until the German captain calmed things down

i thought the same. I didn't watch the match, but it's nigh on impossible to infer how we played from the comments on this thread. According to you lot we ranged from shit to very good. Just goes to show how perspectives can differ between different people I guess.
Thought we'd lose and we did, but 1-0 against Man Utd doesn't sound too bad to me. Early days for us and here's hoping all the new arrivals can bed in a bit over the next 4 or 5 games.

[Axl Rose]

I thought there was some promise shown and Gueye, Richards and Amavi looked great, Veretout looked like he'll need a few games to get up to speed. Thought Westwood played well but we never looked like scoring.

I honestly don't know what Agbonlahor brings to the team, has been a mystery for a while, if we signed 30 new players he'd still somehow get in the side. He's simply not good enough.

Can't argue with this summary. Defence looks good+solid. Midfield looks decent, and I'm very impressed with Gueye. A poster commented on his fitness? He has a great engine, and will score a few, I reckon. Veretout would look better at the tip of a diamond, perhaps?

We lacked a creative spark more than anything. Something that Gil, Grealish or Adame will no doubt provide.

Gabby has gone. Ayew looked slow, but you can see there is talent there. His ambling style reminded me a little of Savo.

[ChicagoLion]

So what was the difference in that performance to a Lambert team performance?
I could not see any.
Few chances created, sloppy in posession, no real drive.
We were shit and got beat by a very average Manure team thart did not have to break sweat.

[villadelph]

So what was the difference in that performance to a Lambert team performance?
I could not see any.
Few chances created, sloppy in posession, no real drive.
We were shit and got beat by a very average Manure team thart did not have to break sweat.

That's just stupid.