Jordan Ayew - sold to Swansea

[berneboy]

SKY sources reporting we have agreed a fee now....

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The Doc

They said that yesterday.

[RussellC]

This is where we, as football fans, show our double standards (and I include myself in that). If one of our players did this we would be calling him all sorts of bastards but as we are the ones looking to benefit we don't give a toss.

yep, got to agree, and like you I include myself
most things in football are looked at from a very one eyed point of view

Whilst I agree, it's difficult to know exactly what's going on at the moment. Ayew's last interview suggested that L'Orient had changed the asking price because it was a Premiership Club involved. That said, if there's no agreement between the clubs, Ayew really shouldn't have flown over.

[ktvillan]

Sil, I hear and respect what you are saying about those early points last year but my view is that they only became absolutely essential for our survival because we left it too long to dispense with the services of Paul Lambert.  Nothing remotely like that is going to happen next season, or hopefully ever again now that we have woken up to the necessity of having structure and order and forward planning at the club.

I have to disagree with you Brian, the season is 38 games long and a professionally run club should be prepared for the season when it starts in order to maximise our chances in all games.   It makes sense to get signings in early to get them as much of a pre-season and settling in period as possible.  There was plenty of time to set up deals before the window opened, before pre-season, and there still is before the season starts.  Liverpool are a good example of a club that almost always look to do the bulk of their business early on, and they've made a fair few solid signing well before the season starts.   The latter part of the window should be for adding the final touches not for doing the bulk of your business while early points are being chucked away.  A bad start can be very hard to recover from, and I'm a great believer in the phrase ""fail to prepare, prepare to fail".

[SamTheMouse]

They finished 7th last season.

Nah, they finished 16th.

[Small Rodent]

Oh yeah, that was 2009!!

[Tony Erdington]

They finished 7th last season.

Nah, they finished 16th.

I suppose it isn't fair to say , but fuck it.
As "a top flight side" laughs up sleeve, there pretty much on a par with the lower leagues of England, ie York City. So on that basis, wtf are we doing offering a boat load of money for a player from York, we aint no big time charlies , ask Fabian, so renegotiate , half the offering price and threaten the town of orient with the guillotine, or we'll Taunt them some more.

[Meanwood Villa]

They finished 7th last season.

Nah, they finished 16th.

I suppose it isn't fair to say , but fuck it.
As "a top flight side" laughs up sleeve, there pretty much on a par with the lower leagues of England, ie York City. So on that basis, wtf are we doing offering a boat load of money for a player from York, we aint no big time charlies , ask Fabian, so renegotiate , half the offering price and threaten the town of orient with the guillotine, or we'll Taunt them some more.

How do you figure that the lower half of the French top flight is the same level as the English fourth division? That's utter bollocks.

[Tony Erdington]

They finished 7th last season.

Nah, they finished 16th.

I suppose it isn't fair to say , but fuck it.
As "a top flight side" laughs up sleeve, there pretty much on a par with the lower leagues of England, ie York City. So on that basis, wtf are we doing offering a boat load of money for a player from York, we aint no big time charlies , ask Fabian, so renegotiate , half the offering price and threaten the town of orient with the guillotine, or we'll Taunt them some more.

How do you figure that the lower half of the French top flight is the same level as the English fourth division? That's utter bollocks.

that's exactly my point the lower half of the French league is utter bolox.

[Chris Smith]

Sil, I hear and respect what you are saying about those early points last year but my view is that they only became absolutely essential for our survival because we left it too long to dispense with the services of Paul Lambert.  Nothing remotely like that is going to happen next season, or hopefully ever again now that we have woken up to the necessity of having structure and order and forward planning at the club.

I have to disagree with you Brian, the season is 38 games long and a professionally run club should be prepared for the season when it starts in order to maximise our chances in all games.   It makes sense to get signings in early to get them as much of a pre-season and settling in period as possible.  There was plenty of time to set up deals before the window opened, before pre-season, and there still is before the season starts.  Liverpool are a good example of a club that almost always look to do the bulk of their business early on, and they've made a fair few solid signing well before the season starts.   The latter part of the window should be for adding the final touches not for doing the bulk of your business while early points are being chucked away.  A bad start can be very hard to recover from, and I'm a great believer in the phrase ""fail to prepare, prepare to fail".

Ideally yes, but in practice it rarely works like that. The majority of clubs will be doing business in August because so many deals are interdependent and because players, clubs and agents are still weighing up their options. You cite Liverpool but things are far more straightforward for them as they are seen as a much more attractive option than most other clubs.

[old man villa fan]

Sil, I hear and respect what you are saying about those early points last year but my view is that they only became absolutely essential for our survival because we left it too long to dispense with the services of Paul Lambert.  Nothing remotely like that is going to happen next season, or hopefully ever again now that we have woken up to the necessity of having structure and order and forward planning at the club.

I have to disagree with you Brian, the season is 38 games long and a professionally run club should be prepared for the season when it starts in order to maximise our chances in all games.   It makes sense to get signings in early to get them as much of a pre-season and settling in period as possible.  There was plenty of time to set up deals before the window opened, before pre-season, and there still is before the season starts.  Liverpool are a good example of a club that almost always look to do the bulk of their business early on, and they've made a fair few solid signing well before the season starts.   The latter part of the window should be for adding the final touches not for doing the bulk of your business while early points are being chucked away.  A bad start can be very hard to recover from, and I'm a great believer in the phrase ""fail to prepare, prepare to fail".

Ideally yes, but in practice it rarely works like that. The majority of clubs will be doing business in August because so many deals are interdependent and because players, clubs and agents are still weighing up their options. You cite Liverpool but things are far more straightforward for them as they are seen as a much more attractive option than most other clubs.

Was just about to post the same comment.  Also have to bear in mind not all leagues finish at the same time and international competitions that have a knock on effect across European football.

[silhillvilla]

Sil, I hear and respect what you are saying about those early points last year but my view is that they only became absolutely essential for our survival because we left it too long to dispense with the services of Paul Lambert.  Nothing remotely like that is going to happen next season, or hopefully ever again now that we have woken up to the necessity of having structure and order and forward planning at the club.

I have to disagree with you Brian, the season is 38 games long and a professionally run club should be prepared for the season when it starts in order to maximise our chances in all games.   It makes sense to get signings in early to get them as much of a pre-season and settling in period as possible.  There was plenty of time to set up deals before the window opened, before pre-season, and there still is before the season starts.  Liverpool are a good example of a club that almost always look to do the bulk of their business early on, and they've made a fair few solid signing well before the season starts.   The latter part of the window should be for adding the final touches not for doing the bulk of your business while early points are being chucked away.  A bad start can be very hard to recover from, and I'm a great believer in the phrase ""fail to prepare, prepare to fail".

Spot on KT. The 6 P's
Early Preparation and planning prevents piss poor performance .

[godzvilla]

From French Sports paper ŽLe TelegrammeŽ. read into it what you will.........Godzvilla!
Lorient vice-president: Aston Villa 'in talks' over Jordan Ayew, no deal agreed yet.
Lorient claim that whilst no deal has been agreed for Aston Villa to sign striker Jordan Ayew, talks are underway.
Lorient vice-president Alex Hayes has told Le Telegramme that Aston Villa have yet to reach an agreement for Jordan Ayew - but talks have been held.
However, Lorient vice-president Hayes has told Le Telegramme that whilst the two clubs are in 'deep talks' over the striker, there has been no agreement yet - and the player is expected to play in tonight's friendly against Caen.
"Jordan is under contract. He must be present this evening. We are deep in talks with Aston Villa," said Hayes. "For a deal to be done, both clubs need to agree. If the deal is done, it will be very good for him. If not, he is obliged to return. We hope in any case for a positive outcome," he added.

[Toronto Villa]

From that, reading between the lines it appears we are in discussions to sign him with his current club.

[brian green]

On this matter of when to buy, the transfer window is in effect an auction.   In my own line of business I attend anything between two and eight auctions a week across East Anglia.   Like all sales, the seller wants to get the most money he can, the buyer wants to pay the least.  From a lifetime of experience you learn that the dynamic of a sale is a price peak between a third and a half way through a sale, but then as buyers spend their money the prices begin to fall and are at their lowest just before the end of a sale but the last few transactions the prices rise very sharply as panic buys kick in.   It's not rocket science.   You survey the entire range of what is on offer, whatever it might be, horses, properties, potatoes, cars and you don't dive in and chase the market if there are alternatives later in the day that are as good but cheaper.   The richest men at the car auctions are those who buy in the last hour of a sale, leave their purchases overnight and put them in the first hour of the following day's sale.   It is not failing to prepare it is using your money to best advantage.  In horse dealing the practice has the great name of "pinhooking".

[silhillvilla]

Sage words Brian, my only comment is I think footballers as a commodity are a bit different to cars or fresh produce maybe ?
Also we have a season starting in 2 weeks .