Hendrik Almstadt

[ozzjim]

Well Southampton, Chelsea, West Brom have already been cited as good examples of it? Spurs you could argue that it works well in terms of maximising their player sales, and it has been working at Arsenal in some form. I don't see this as a hindrance to Sherwood, but a help. And I am glad that it strengthens the position Fox has got.

[silhillvilla]

Takeover well dead and buried if appointing new roles. Welcome Hendrik

My theory is that we are about to become the richest club in the world and are getting all our deals in place while everyone thinks we've got no money.

Delph chose us over Man City - spooky - so Tim had to throw a red herring to the press before they put two and two together and got four for a change.

That's the exact conversation I had earlier today with a fellow villa fan. It's a double bluff. (But don't tell anyone)

[Clampy]

Guess the worry is we start getting players in that the manager doesn't want.

It's not like you to try and pick a possible hole in something.

[silhillvilla]

Guess the worry is we start getting players in that the manager doesn't want.

Wrong way round. Almstadt's role should be more likely to irritate the incumbent manager at the other end of the contract with a "now's the time to get rid".

Other than that it should be no different on incoming transfers other than another voice / sense check on new contract terms.

Yes I get the theory part. However in practice has it worked yet in any premier league club

Well yes, all those ones mentioned earlier in the thread.

Fair enough I was unaware they all had DoF in place . I still always think of Newcastle and Joe Kinnear.

[ozzjim]

That is taking the dark feelings to a real extreme there!

[Dante Lavelli]

Guess the worry is we start getting players in that the manager doesn't want.

Wrong way round. Almstadt's role should be more likely to irritate the incumbent manager at the other end of the contract with a "now's the time to get rid".

Other than that it should be no different on incoming transfers other than another voice / sense check on new contract terms.

Yes I get the theory part. However in practice has it worked yet in any premier league club

Well yes, all those ones mentioned earlier in the thread.

Fair enough I was unaware they all had DoF in place . I still always think of Newcastle and Joe Kinnear.

Isn't it graham carr who is the footballing brains there now - I think his title is head scout but on the guardian podcast they were saying he deals with pretty much the whole footballing side above the manager?  From a recruitment perspective they've done well considering the transfer surplus they currently have.

[Villa in Denmark]

F##king hell Silhil. If there's one club you can always rely on to be an even bigger basket case than us, it's that bunch of selves aggrandasing, holier than thou, no-one's favourite second team twats.

Anyway the original template for how not to do it was Blackburn after they'd won the league and Dalglish "moved upstairs" handing over to Ray Harford. I seem to remember someone at the time saying that they didn't know what Dalglish was supposed to be doing, and apparently neither did he as he only lasted one season.

[tomd2103]

Guess the worry is we start getting players in that the manager doesn't want.

It's not like you to try and pick a possible hole in something.

Not sure it works like that anyway.  I'm guessing the manager would tell the Sporting Director the type of player he needs, Sporting Director consults with scouts and comes back with options that fit into the price and wage structure, manager has final say. 

[silhillvilla]

Guess the worry is we start getting players in that the manager doesn't want.

It's not like you to try and pick a possible hole in something.

Not sure it works like that anyway.  I'm guessing the manager would tell the Sporting Director the type of player he needs, Sporting Director consults with scouts and comes back with options that fit into the price and wage structure, manager has final say.

I don't think there are any hard and fast rules on how the process works, I guess each club come up with their own plan or not it would appear in some instances.
The only way it will work is if the DoF and manager have the same vision, get on with one another, communicate regularly and both understand and agree to the process (if indeed there is one).

[Mister E]

Guess the worry is we start getting players in that the manager doesn't want.

That's simplistic.
The manager, Chief Scout, Sporting Director and CEO should together agree the realistic recruitment targets and then it should be left to the Chief Scout and Sporting Director to make happen. If players are coming in willy-nilly, then there is clearly a breakdown in relationships and the CEO would have to take appropriate action.
Where it's broken down elsewhere, it's been becuase small-minded managers cannot get it in their heads that theirs is not the 'imperial role' but one that fits into a team of experts.

[Karl Bridges]

They did say when they advertised for the role that it wasn't the traditional DoF role.

That it was to take some of the backroom stuff out of the hands of the manager to allow him to concentrate on the first team.

Really pleased to have got a high calibre appointment.

[placeforparks]

Guess the worry is we start getting players in that the manager doesn't want.

tbf sherwood doesn't strike me as the docile type who won't speak up!

[OCD]

The statement included comments from Sherwood that he's happy with the appointment so it's not an issue. I'm sure the key players will work together.

[Gregorys Boy]

There are good and bad ones, and its just the direction football is going, its not ideal, but maybe with a young manager like Sherwood who is still finding his way in the game and might struggle to attract good players it could be a help.  Time will tell.

[Nelson Lodge]

On the face of it a good appointment. Arsenal seem a well run and profitable operation. If he and Fox can bring that culture to VP all well and good.

At this rate of recruitment to back room staff and Tiny Tim's culling of the playing squad there could soon be more Chiefs than Indians !