Ditch the Drum

[PeterWithe]

Is that area at the back of the stand by the wall?

The one we were in for the cup games? It's behind the railing, so the front of the upper section of the lower holte.

A few years ago you were in the block next to me on the far right side of the Holte, why not return there where there are no people behind you to potentially upset?

I choose my ST so I can stand without causing disruption to anyone else.

[Dave Cooper please]

That palace drum and constant drone is driving me mad watching this game

Fucking hell yes. It's horrible, the same constant "whooohoowhoooooerrr" noise and drumming for 90 fucking minutes, FC United of Manchester had exactly the same when I was there yesterday, it truly is hideous. Adds fuck all to the atmosphere, just a bunch of people amusing themselves while everyone else gets pissed off with them. And of course any other part of the crowd trying to start a chant has no chance because they are drowned out by the constant "whooohoowhoooooerrr" from the Ultras!
Still, Ultras hey? everyone loves the Ultras otherwise you are a killjoy. Nice flags mind.

[adrenachrome]

That palace drum and constant drone is driving me mad watching this game

Fucking hell yes. It's horrible, the same constant "whooohoowhoooooerrr" noise and drumming for 90 fucking minutes, FC United of Manchester had exactly the same when I was there yesterday, it truly is hideous. Adds fuck all to the atmosphere, just a bunch of people amusing themselves while everyone else gets pissed off with them. And of course any other part of the crowd trying to start a chant has no chance because they are drowned out by the constant "whooohoowhoooooerrr" from the Ultras!
Still, Ultras hey? everyone loves the Ultras otherwise you are a killjoy. Nice flags mind.

Calm down, dude. It's only a fucking drum.  Ba rupampompom.

[adrenachrome]

Honey child, I have my doubts
You can't see the the forest for the trees

 

[Louzie0]

Fabulous Mike Nesmith quote, thanks.

[PeterWithesShin]

You're all just Living in the Past with all this Drum Theatre.

[PeterWithesShin]

May as well do a link as most probably won't remember them. Or have heard of them.

[Louzie0]

Not, the, 'living in the past' by jethro Tull that I have from the 1970s.

Lots of fun, though.

[mas54321]

I was sat a few rows behind you guys. Firstly it wasn't just one girl/family that complained, loads of people were going ape - remonstrating with police and stewards. The kids sat near/in front of me (aged 6-8) could not see even if they stood.

Enough's been said about the standing already, and blocking the view of people behind (especially kids) - but the flags were just a piss take, obscuring the view of everybody no matter standing or sitting. The second half was a bit better - in that the flags were flown less, and usually during a break in game (conscious decision?).

Sitting on the front row and wanting to stand is pretty short sighted, I don't see how it can end well

[Breezeblock]

Why don't these "Ultras" go to the back of the upper Holte where they will find plenty of like-minded fans and not spoil anyone elses view of the game?  Oh yes, of course! They want to be seen on telly don't they.

Call me a killjoy/miseryarse if you must but I dont like the Ultras. It smacks of manufactured "atmosphere" and the people who make them up seem to be labouring under the delusion that their "atmosphere" should be above all other considerations including inconveniencing other fans and emperiling the clubs safety certificate status.

Oh and the fucking drum needs to go.  We are Aston Villa not Accrington Stanley.

[chrisw1]

Sitting on the front row and wanting to stand is pretty short sighted, I don't see how it can end well

Surely the obvious place would be back of Holte lower with no one behind them?  this can't be rocket science can it?

[PeterWithe]

Sitting on the front row and wanting to stand is pretty short sighted, I don't see how it can end well

Surely the obvious place would be back of Holte lower with no one behind them?  this can't be rocket science can it?

Where they originally started out.

[Pat McMahon]

I too would suggest getting a section at the back of the Holte, either lower or upper. The location last year seemed fine to me, though I suppose more central would be better.

[pauliewalnuts]

That palace drum and constant drone is driving me mad watching this game

Fucking hell yes. It's horrible, the same constant "whooohoowhoooooerrr" noise and drumming for 90 fucking minutes

There is always an atmosphere at Palace these days, and that is down to those Ultras I imagine, but god, yes, I was thinking the same when that match was on.

Get some new fucking songs or something because that "whoooo oooo ooo errr weerrrrr" thing is so fucking irritating.

[pauliewalnuts]

I don't think you understand the concept of what Brigada are trying to do and achieve UK Redsox, and its obviously not possible to that in a seated position. The common sense thing to do would be to speak to the club and have this organised so all parties are happy, and doesn't impact or infringe upon anyone else.

I understand what they're trying to do. Its just what they're trying to do is not allowed under the current regulations. Why should they be given special treatment ?

If standing is reintroduced and an area can be set up where Brigada's standing and flag waving does not impact any other supporters (whether standing or seated), then fine**. Until then, they should sit down like everyone else is supposed to.

** my use of the word fine should in know way be construed as condoning the use of the drum, that should be banned at all times.

The bold bit is where your argument falls down I'm afraid...literally a few thousand ppl stand at most games regardless of the current regulations that everyone *should* sit down. The argument works both ways...why should Brigada be forced to sit down and observe the current regulations unless its enforced around the ground.

Not too sure about that.

If I get stopped for doing 80 on the motorway, and point out to the police all the other people doing 80 without getting stopped, does that mean I've somehow been wronged?

Or, what if someone in the Trinity (or any area where there is no standing) decides he'll stand up for the whole match, obscuring the view of those behind, does the "but you're not making that lot sit down" argument hold any water there?

Appreciate the point about checking if the people behind you can see, but there are clearly lots and lots of examples where people have bought expensive tickets for football matches only to find they can't see a thing because the people in front of them are going to stand.

What would have happen if the people behind you had said "actually, we can't see a thing because you're standing", for example?

The problem at the moment is the system in that there is no way to both give people a place they can stand and watch matches AND for other people to know that when they buy their ticket, they'll have a reasonable chance of being able to see the match.

It's a broken system, and there's one obvious way to fix it, but the way the law is now, when it comes down to it, it isn't the people sat down and unable to see the match that are at fault, it is the people standing up.

The presence of 3,000 standing away fans doesn't really change that.