Jordan Amavi - gone again

[boozey182]

Is there not a direct correlation between the team's dip in form and Amavi's? As the whole team has got worse and we've been up against it more often, his performance has dropped. It would be weird if we had ten players putting in Mcormack-esque performances and yet a relatively inexperienced leftback was getting 8 or 9 out of 10 every week. He's looked more susceptible the last few weeks, undoubtedly. But it would be harsh to judge him on those weeks; we've been clueless. He was one of the (very) few players to stand out during our tiny purple patch when Bruce took over, so would grant him a bit more leeway than some of the others, who have been crap for years.

[BOB MANSFIELD]

I'm afraid it is the correlation with Calderwood's arrival that is more likely to be the reason.

[eamonn]

Someone else has probably mentioned this but he reminds me of Kyle Walker when he was with us. Good going forward, but awful at times defensively.

Exactly.  I think a lot of people thought Bertrand was shit too.  Sometimes you have to let players develop and not always 'cash in' if you don't have instant success

Nah, Kyle Walker had a lot more muscle meaning he wasn't barged off the ball like Amavi can be at times.

[Mister E]

Idon't think we should worry about Amavi: he will only get better.
We should be xhitting bricks over the lack of an effective MF and poor cover for CB.
And Bunn.
And Hutton.
And our attacking prowess.

[Dave]

Idon't think we should worry about Amavi: he will only get better.
We should be xhitting bricks over the lack of an effective MF and poor cover for CB.
And Bunn.
And Hutton.
And our attacking prowess.

Quite. He's far from perfect at the moment, but on the list of players we should be looking at replacing there are probably around twenty names ahead of him.

[PaulWinch again]

Idon't think we should worry about Amavi: he will only get better.
We should be xhitting bricks over the lack of an effective MF and poor cover for CB.
And Bunn.
And Hutton.
And our attacking prowess.

Quite. He's far from perfect at the moment, but on the list of players we should be looking at replacing there are probably around twenty names ahead of him.

Agree 100%

[West Derby Villan]

Idon't think we should worry about Amavi: he will only get better.
We should be xhitting bricks over the lack of an effective MF and poor cover for CB.
And Bunn.
And Hutton.
And our attacking prowess.

Quite. He's far from perfect at the moment, but on the list of players we should be looking at replacing there are probably around twenty names ahead of him.

Agree 100%

Agree 110%

[old man villa fan]

If you look at most of Amavi's mistakes they are when he is trying to get himself out of trouble. It's usually when he is facing his own goal and tries to turn his player.  Is it because he is just an attacking minded player or is it because nobody is making themselves available for the simple pass back and inside to the central defender or back to the keeper.  It's the same some times for the midfield players. Is there too much of players standing watching other players do things and why we look like 11 individuals, rather than a team.

[BOB MANSFIELD]

That is such a good point you have made.
Our players ALL seem to do a thing and then stop in admiration of their act. Nobody is running into spaces to drag players away and so many times you see a quick-fire bit of thinking ( a la Amavi and McCormack last game ) which comes to nothing because the intended recipient is on his heels. Not on the same wavelength and not even already moving into position for an anticipated pass. Drives me bonkers and screaming at the TV when I see that.
At games it is worse...neighbours look offended when I scream at my age.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

it's also even less likely now China are changing their rules on overseas players

They have put a cap of three overseas players only per team.
I was going to mention that's an infringement of rights, but then remembered this is China we're talking about..

v. true - it would be unlike china to let something as novel as human rights get in the way of anything...

it makes it unlikely though that they will use one of their limited spaces on a) a left back and b) not someone already playing at a v. high level

How is it an infringement of rights?

[BOB MANSFIELD]

Remember when we had that sort of "Foreign Player " cap in use in England ? That's why we now have such a poor percentage of English talent able to break through to play for the country.
The Chinese have become aware that if they want to dominate world football (along with everything else, that is ) they will have to find a way to develop their own ( he's Won Liu of our own )

[Dave]

Remember when we had that sort of "Foreign Player " cap in use in England ? That's why we now have such a poor percentage of English talent able to break through to play for the country.

Because back when there was a limit on foreign players, England dominated the world football stage.

Nowadays leagues where there are unlimited foreigners like England, Spain, Germany, France - their national teams are all rubbish.

[ciggiesnbeer]

Remember when we had that sort of "Foreign Player " cap in use in England ? That's why we now have such a poor percentage of English talent able to break through to play for the country.

Because back when there was a limit on foreign players, England dominated the world football stage.

Nowadays leagues where there are unlimited foreigners like England, Spain, Germany, France - their national teams are all rubbish.

Very good.

[BOB MANSFIELD]

Evening.
The question about Amavi surely getting better, is.........with Aston Villa ??.......and the apparent lack of "coaching" which defines the poor skills, inter-play and improvement in "team awareness " that Villa players have in common it seems.

[Matt Collins]

Remember when we had that sort of "Foreign Player " cap in use in England ? That's why we now have such a poor percentage of English talent able to break through to play for the country.

Because back when there was a limit on foreign players, England dominated the world football stage.

Nowadays leagues where there are unlimited foreigners like England, Spain, Germany, France - their national teams are all rubbish.

Very good.

I put England's lack of success down to not singing then national anthem  LOUD ENOUGH