Tom Cleverley - Now signed for Everton

[ozzjim]

4-6 good games under Sherwood should not disguise the fact that he was totally abysmal, I mean truly bloody awful, for 30 games before it and for the last 3 games of the season. If he chooses to come here then fair enough, but I genuinely refuse to believe that there is not a better option out there somewhere.

[supertom]

4-6 good games under Sherwood should not disguise the fact that he was totally abysmal, I mean truly bloody awful, for 30 games before it and for the last 3 games of the season. If he chooses to come here then fair enough, but I genuinely refuse to believe that there is not a better option out there somewhere.

There are better options out there certainly. Not necessarily on free transfers though. But of course his wage demands are another issue. On 40k it's alright. But if he wants close to what he's getting at Utd, then I'd look elsewhere (cause he'd go to Everton for that).

[old man villa fan]

4-6 good games under Sherwood should not disguise the fact that he was totally abysmal, I mean truly bloody awful, for 30 games before it and for the last 3 games of the season. If he chooses to come here then fair enough, but I genuinely refuse to believe that there is not a better option out there somewhere.

There are better options out there certainly. Not necessarily on free transfers though. But of course his wage demands are another issue. On 40k it's alright. But if he wants close to what he's getting at Utd, then I'd look elsewhere (cause he'd go to Everton for that).

If he signs for us it would probably be on a 4 year contract that seems the normal for Villa.  If we pay him £60k a week, that would be around £12m.  Compare that with buying somebody for £4m and then paying £40k a week.  Forget for a moment that we are talking about Cleverley and just look at the money.  Which looks to be getting the better player.  The downside is the effect of £60k a week on others in the squad.

[Dante Lavelli]

4-6 good games under Sherwood should not disguise the fact that he was totally abysmal, I mean truly bloody awful, for 30 games before it and for the last 3 games of the season. If he chooses to come here then fair enough, but I genuinely refuse to believe that there is not a better option out there somewhere.

There are better options out there certainly. Not necessarily on free transfers though. But of course his wage demands are another issue. On 40k it's alright. But if he wants close to what he's getting at Utd, then I'd look elsewhere (cause he'd go to Everton for that).

If he signs for us it would probably be on a 4 year contract that seems the normal for Villa.  If we pay him £60k a week, that would be around £12m.  Compare that with buying somebody for £4m and then paying £40k a week.  Forget for a moment that we are talking about Cleverley and just look at the money.  Which looks to be getting the better player.  The downside is the effect of £60k a week on others in the squad.

That's a good comparison.  My maths gets to roughly the same number.
The big question is what does 4m buy you nowadays?  Would that player be ready for the first team?

[old man villa fan]

4-6 good games under Sherwood should not disguise the fact that he was totally abysmal, I mean truly bloody awful, for 30 games before it and for the last 3 games of the season. If he chooses to come here then fair enough, but I genuinely refuse to believe that there is not a better option out there somewhere.

There are better options out there certainly. Not necessarily on free transfers though. But of course his wage demands are another issue. On 40k it's alright. But if he wants close to what he's getting at Utd, then I'd look elsewhere (cause he'd go to Everton for that).

If he signs for us it would probably be on a 4 year contract that seems the normal for Villa.  If we pay him £60k a week, that would be around £12m.  Compare that with buying somebody for £4m and then paying £40k a week.  Forget for a moment that we are talking about Cleverley and just look at the money.  Which looks to be getting the better player.  The downside is the effect of £60k a week on others in the squad.

That's a good comparison.  My maths gets to roughly the same number.
The big question is what does 4m buy you nowadays?  Would that player be ready for the first team?

the big plus with Cleverley is that there is no transfer fee.  My concern is that he may want too much money which upsets the wages structure of the squad.

There was an interesting comment from him today in that he likes working with Sherwood, which sounds as though he does not want to burn any bridges.  He may just be talking to Everton (if he actually is) to try and up an offer from us.

[KRS]

It has been and always will be about the money with Cleverley so I fully expect him to sign for someone else...happy to proved wrong.

[old man villa fan]

It has been and always will be about the money with Cleverley so I fully expect him to sign for someone else...happy to proved wrong.

On what basis?

[wozwebs]

Times reporting he'll sign for Everton this week. 5 year deal

[David_Nab]

Oh well ...

[OCD]

If true it sounds like location is his biggest priority and doesn't want to move from his home.

[ozzjim]

Shock horror. He basically refused a permanent deal here to try and force a loan move there. He only came back because United stopped Everton taking the piss with it. I am sure he will do great there but for literally 4 good and a couple of decent games in 38, for 60k a week I am not sad about it. Cynic in me thinks he did just enough to ensure a top wage at Everton.

[edgysatsuma89]

I was fickle enough to think we should now sign him. Now i think about it objectively he really only played well for a very short period of time. Everyone was shit under lambert, granted, but those last 3 games ... Wow.

[KRS]

It has been and always will be about the money with Cleverley so I fully expect him to sign for someone else...happy to proved wrong.

On what basis?

I presume you're referring to the comment about money? Pretty sure I could dig out some not so favourable quotes regarding his previous contract negotiations if I could be bothered...or may be I imagined all the comments about his salary demands?

[old man villa fan]

It has been and always will be about the money with Cleverley so I fully expect him to sign for someone else...happy to proved wrong.

On what basis?

I presume you're referring to the comment about money? Pretty sure I could dig out some not so favourable quotes regarding his previous contract negotiations if I could be bothered...or may be I imagined all the comments about his salary demands?

There was the issue of not agreeing to sign on a permanent deal at the start of the season and ended up on loan.  I would put that down to the limited time to get to an agreement.  At Utd he was on £70k a week with add-ons and he wanted £60k to come to us.  Any player transferring to another club has the right to negotiate on wages.  I would not say the £60k was outrageous if he believed he could get back to the level he was at with Utd a couple of seasons ago, it was just more than we wanted to pay.  I do not put that in the category of 'It has been and always will be about the money with Cleverley'

[Matt Collins]

I see this thread has been inundated with suggestions of better alternative signings

What a massive job Tim has this summer. Huge.