Aston Villa vs Queen's Park Rangers - post match thread

[Risso]

Only just seen Austin's foul on Richardson from last night. Lucky to not get a red for that.

Add that to the fact that he should have been booked in the first half for deliberate handball.

Spot on. He practically caught the ball, and that is deliberate. He should have been yellow carded. The ref let them get away with murder last night.

Deliberate handball isn't an automatic yellow card. I didn't see the one last night (so have no opinion on whether Austin's should have been or not), but it depends on the context as to whether it's a caution or not.

The rules state it's a caution if a player 'handles the ball to prevent an opponent gaining possession or developing an attack'

I think that would cover most instances of people deliberately handling the ball.

[Dave]

Only just seen Austin's foul on Richardson from last night. Lucky to not get a red for that.

Add that to the fact that he should have been booked in the first half for deliberate handball.

Spot on. He practically caught the ball, and that is deliberate. He should have been yellow carded. The ref let them get away with murder last night.

Deliberate handball isn't an automatic yellow card. I didn't see the one last night (so have no opinion on whether Austin's should have been or not), but it depends on the context as to whether it's a caution or not.

The rules state it's a caution if a player 'handles the ball to prevent an opponent gaining possession or developing an attack'

I think that would cover most instances of people deliberately handling the ball.

Quite possibly most, but not all.

[saunders_heroes]

It was definitely deliberate. I'm pretty sure both his hands were on the ball and he almost caught it. The only defence is that it was about to go out for a throw in, but that's not the point - he practically caught it. The ref bottled it, just like he did for the studs up foul on Richardson which should have been a straight red.

[Michel Sibble]

And in amongst all this, Benteke scored a hat-trick...

[Clampy]

Another thing i've remembered whilst reading about the handball is the back pass to the keeper in the first half. My mate reckons it came off his knee.

[Clampy]

I like to see Refs let the game flow but he never got a grip last night and missed some really blatant fouls.

And the linesman on the Trinity side looked too old and tad overweight.

[ClaretAndBlueBlood]

Another thing i've remembered whilst reading about the handball is the back pass to the keeper in the first half. My mate reckons it came off his knee.

it did

[Goldie.7]

Another thing i've remembered whilst reading about the handball is the back pass to the keeper in the first half. My mate reckons it came off his knee.

It did and is allowed.

[rob_bridge]

Frustrating night all round.

1st half, other than the goal we pissed it. They should have had 3 or 4 yellows, not just that ultimate mercenary Krackjar. Thought collectively played well.

2nd half we started brightly enough before their goal and thereafter Cleverly, Sanchez and Gabby influence just withered. The latter 2 were very good in the 1st half.

Less said about Richardson the better. For some reason I'd excuse Bacuna and Grealish from criticism as through they worked their bollocks off even if the end product was somewhat lacking.

The fact that our midfield was 2nd best to one containing Clint Hill, joey Barton and Karl Henry for a chunk of the second half didn't bode well.

Austin took his goal well but he is a dirty fucker and should have seen red. He is also an England player in waiting the amount of fucking whinging him and Zamora did.

Guzan - no chance for the goals. Well not from where I was sitting. They were soft goals to concede.
Benteke brilliant and thought Clark (who must tear his hair out having to play next to Richardson) and Delph had good games too.

Like to see Gil on the bench as still offers more than Cole or CNZ.

We go again

[Clampy]

I actually thought Guzan was at fault for the first goal. He should have claimed the first cross that came in.

[PaulWinch again]

And in amongst all this, Benteke scored a hat-trick...

That's the most disappointing thing of all this. Our defensivie fuck ups have meant that what went wrong with the game is getting much more coverage than the brilliant hat-trick Benteke scored. If we'd won we'd all be talking about that.

[Goldie.7]

No Delph was ball watching and lost his man, Guzan would of been in no mans land if he came because Zamora's cross had some bend on it, this all came because Richardson didn't block the first cross, then Bacuna with one of the worst clearing headers you'll see fluffed it, then Delph was miles away

Mistakes are costing us big time. If we did just the basics last night properly we would now be 3 points better off.

[DeKuip]

I actually thought Guzan was at fault for the first goal. He should have claimed the first cross that came in.

So did the manager judging by his reaction to it, he still turned to Guzan after we equalised to have another go at him. Quite funny as he didn't appear to be able to get Guzan's attention at all which was winding him up even more. He also seemed to be getting frustrated by Guzan's kicking, like the rest of us I guess.

[Clampy]

No Delph was ball watching and lost his man, Guzan would of been in no mans land if he came because Zamora's cross had some bend on it, this all came because Richardson didn't block the first cross, then Bacuna with one of the worst clearing headers you'll see fluffed it, then Delph miles away

Mistakes are costing us big time.

Maybe I need to see it again in fairness then but at the time I thought Guzan should have claimed the first ball.

[LTA]

Guzan doesn't look the commanding figure of the last 2 seasons at the moment. Personally, I'd be more confident with Shay during the run in