It's not Sherwood!

[Villa in Denmark]

He lost the fans and I suspect the players after Leicester.

He monumentally fucked up that day with some breathtaking nievity and arrogance but then threw the players under the bus afterwards.  From then on the dye was cast.

Did he actually throw anyone under the bus after Leicester? I just remember him being almost in tears.

I think that came in the following weeks when it became apparent he hadn't got a scooby doo what to do.

[OzVilla]

He lost the fans and I suspect the players after Leicester.

He monumentally fucked up that day with some breathtaking nievity and arrogance but then threw the players under the bus afterwards.  From then on the dye was cast.

Did he actually throw anyone under the bus after Leicester? I just remember him being almost in tears.

Absolutely he blamed he players saying there was " a lot  of bad play in the last half hour' and we lost due the thier 'stupidity' 'not good enough to see it out" which is all managerial speak for they fucked it up not me. Then afterwards there were rumours of disquiet amongst the playing staff with it all.

I recall at the time thinking if I was a players I'd despise him for that. It was his substitutions that left us wide open in the first place yet he took zero responsibility.

[kipeye]

He lost the fans and I suspect the players after Leicester.

He monumentally fucked up that day with some breathtaking nievity and arrogance but then threw the players under the bus afterwards.  From then on the dye was cast.

Did he actually throw anyone under the bus after Leicester? I just remember him being almost in tears.

Absolutely he blamed he players saying there was " a lot  of bad play in the last half hour' and we lost due the thier 'stupidity' 'not good enough to see it out" which is all managerial speak for they fucked it up not me. Then afterwards there were rumours of disquiet amongst the playing staff with it all.

I recall at the time thinking if I was a players I'd despise him for that. It was his substitutions that left us wide open in the first place yet he took zero responsibility.

I think he called it exactly right and was the most honest manager here for a while. I am sorry it didn't work out but think he gave it a good shot-not sure anyone else would have done better. It was ultimately the players that let us down.

[OzVilla]

I just think the Leicester away game was a prime example where a manager shoud've taken  some responsibility, after all, his substitutions effectively changed the game. It revealed a lot about him, Sherwood, Redknapp, Adams wouldn't while the likes of Martinez, Rodgers, Advocaat would. 

That's not to say the players are totally blameless this season, far from it, but on this occasion it was squarely Sherwood's IMO.

[aj2k77]

Any decent manager would have seen the havoc Mahrez was causing and plugged up the midfield even more, instead of taking them all off and basically giving Mahrez 25 yards of uncontested space to run and build up a head of steam.

[oldham_villa]

Any decision on Sherwood should consider the complete lack of preparation that was clearly on show for the season.

Even several weeks in, the players were clearly unfit. Irrespective of who purchases players, this is unforgivable, and Sherwood should be given the appropriate feedback.

[SoccerHQ]

he did a remarkable job by quickly identifying what we needed to do to get out of trouble and playing to those strengths.

No he didn't. The popular sentiment at the time was that anybody who wasn't Lambert would have been fine given the players that he had to work with.

It's a 'remarkable job' that anybody who realised that just giving the ball as quickly as possible to our one brilliant player could have done.

Maybe 'remarkable' was a strong word, but he was the man chosen for the job and most of us thought he would be a disaster and we would end up relegated. Whether another manager could have done it as well is speculation. If winning football matches was just about 'getting the ball to your best player' then it would be a different game. He gave Grealish a chance, got him playing well and in a system in which he, Delph and Cleverley could win the midfield battles and ensure Benteke could do the rest.

He did what he needed to do and got us to a Cup Final to boot, with a couple of great memories along the way. For that, I think he deserves enough credit to avoid the highly personal attacks aimed at him by a lot of folk, but make no mistake, he takes the majority of the blame for what has gone on this season.

Completely agree with Hazz on this. Remember we couldn't score a bleeding goal under Lambert at the end and that wasn't the first time that season so if people are making the argument that Remi can't win a game because confidence was rock bottom when he turned up, well what was it like when Sherwood came in, players weren't bouncing off walls were they?

He did a perfectly fine job last season, this season different sorry. Even experienced managers like Rodgers, AVB etc struggled and got sacked soon after losing their main players. Losing likes of Benteke and D*lph so early in his managerial career was too much for him.

As I've said before Paul Lambert persided over some of the most embarrassing days in our recent history so it will be interesting what sort of reception he gets next season at VP with Blackburn. I don't cut him as much slack as Sherwood.

[Monty]

The more you look at the Lambert era, the more you see how he was undermined at every turn, how life was basically made impossible for him. He never helped himself, of course, but it was a horrible job. Things weren't perfect for Sherwood, but he still got to sign players that Lambert could only dream of signing, and they weren't properly fit halfway to Christmas, there were no tactics, no planning, no visible preparation, no strategy, nothing - and obviously it wasn't his fault in the least, as all his mates keep reminding us.

No, he did well as a sort of adrenaline shot last season, but Tim Sherwood has well and truly fucked us this year, and in the short-term analysis of what went wrong bears a huge portion of the blame (Randy gets almost all of it long-term).

[eamonn]

Life was made impossible for Lambert? He made supporting Villa almost impossible for us more like.

[Jimbo]

Please, let's not start revising the Lambert era. The man was an oaf.

[Monty]

Life was made impossible for Lambert? He made supporting Villa almost impossible for us more like.

I take back nothing I said about his tactics and so on at the time, but really, who wants to be signing Tonev and Helenius? That's a real duff hand for a Villa manager to be dealt.

[Toronto Villa]

Life was made impossible for Lambert? He made supporting Villa almost impossible for us more like.

I take back nothing I said about his tactics and so on at the time, but really, who wants to be signing Tonev and Helenius? That's a real duff hand for a Villa manager to be dealt.

There are players he could have signed for the money he had that didn't need to be the likes of Tonev or Helenius. While we were picking up Grant Holt for example in Jan 2014, Leicester were picking up Mahrez as a Championship club for £400k. And in he summer we brought in Tonev we also signed Kozak for a reported £7m, while Marco Arnautovic moved to Stoke for £4m. Lambert lumbered us with some right gash, and not only because it was all the money he had. I think that's become a bit of an urban legend along the lines of Everton always being skint.

[Risso]

Life was made impossible for Lambert? He made supporting Villa almost impossible for us more like.

I take back nothing I said about his tactics and so on at the time, but really, who wants to be signing Tonev and Helenius? That's a real duff hand for a Villa manager to be dealt.

There are players he could have signed for the money he had that didn't need to be the likes of Tonev or Helenius. While we were picking up Grant Holt for example in Jan 2014, Leicester were picking up Mahrez as a Championship club for £400k. And in he summer we brought in Tonev we also signed Kozak for a reported £7m, while Marco Arnautovic moved to Stoke for £4m. Lambert lumbered us with some right gash, and not only because it was all the money he had. I think that's become a bit of an urban legend along the lines of Everton always being skint.

Not to mention Bennett, Luna, KEA, Lowton and all the other shite who were nowhere near good enough.

[clash city rocker]

The way I see it is if Sherwood would have been 100% focused on the team ( regardless of who actually signed the players), then he would have made a much better job than he did as he was more focused  on himself  and making excuses.. Imagine our servicemen in battle. In the heat of the moment they don't all sit around moaning about their equipment they just get on with the job because they have to.

[aj2k77]

Lambert spent £50m net on utter guff. He didn't have to spread it quite so thinly as he did and a large portion of the players he signed ended up not playing anyway. The final season though, the back he was given was almost non existant. Senderos, Cole and Richardson was a terrible summer and if there were only going to support him with those signings then they should have sacked him as they lacked any faith.