It's not Sherwood!

[Chris Smith]

The board were all in US last week to meet Lerner. Sherwood not present. Kind of says it all really.

If he had been there you would have been moaning that he wasn't around working with the players.

Well I'd have said if Lerner wanted to meet the manager he should have got his sorry arse onto his Lear jet and come over.
That wasn't my point though. Meetings are now happening with sherwood excluded regardless of location.

It's not a "point"; it's the equivalent of an operational manager not attending a meeting of the executive board and not anything that would normally attract attention. For a manager who knows that his job is under pressure working with players is far more important to him and the players.

[Damo70]

Surely we can't sack him and have him complaining about his treatment to everyone who will listen when the last bloke still hasn't finished whining to all and sundry.

[Ger Regan]

I really wish Sherwood would just fuck off, and sharpish. He's actually more of a wanker than I had feared when he joined.

Agreed, but when was the last time you heard of a manager resigning out of principle? No doubt he'll stick around waiting for the pay off.

Brian Little

Graham Taylor. Since then it's all about the money.

Just to be clear, I don't for a split second believe that sherwood would ever consider doing the decent thing and resigning. He clearly lacks the most basic of self-awareness to see his terminal shortcomings as a manager. I want fox to bin him, and bin him quickly.

To be a football manager you've got to amongst other things have the hide of a rhino and self-esteem that makes prime Muhammed Ali seem modest. Given that, it's highly unlikely that any manager is ever going to think he isn't good enough for a job or can't turn round any situation.

That's a fair enough point. Still can't stand him, mind.

[Toronto Villa]

I don't blame him from not resigning from a contract that the board presented him with, he signed and is being paid handsomely for. As much as if prolongs the process I would expect Sherwood to stay in his position until he is forceably evicted.

I also expect that he will be forceably evicted next week. There are too many cracks that have emerged and it will take an almighty effort for the players now to save the manager. I get the impression that the board want to be seen as having given the manager a chance, but that the predicament had become so bad they had to act. That will be the case after this weekend. They'll thank him for his efforts in keeping the club up last season and privately be delighted to see the back of him.

[tomd2103]

I didn't think he'd keep us up, he did and he deserves a lot of credit for that. But now I think it's over.

Agree, but the warning signs were there towards the end of last season.  I don't feel any animosity to Tim Sherwood personally and of course hope he can turn things around, but feel he is rapidly approaching the point of no return.

[Dave]

I really wish Sherwood would just fuck off, and sharpish. He's actually more of a wanker than I had feared when he joined.

Agreed, but when was the last time you heard of a manager resigning out of principle? No doubt he'll stick around waiting for the pay off.

Brian Little

Graham Taylor. Since then it's all about the money.

Dick Advocaat about two weeks ago

[saunders_heroes]

I really wish Sherwood would just fuck off, and sharpish. He's actually more of a wanker than I had feared when he joined.

Agreed, but when was the last time you heard of a manager resigning out of principle? No doubt he'll stick around waiting for the pay off.

Brian Little

Graham Taylor. Since then it's all about the money.

Dick Advocaat about two weeks ago

Blimey, yeah. There's some decent ones out there then.

[cdbearsfan]

I think, whisper it, O'Leary agreed to forsake the money Leeds owed him to help them with their financial problems.

(I'd have let them go bust).

[Mister E]

I think, whisper it, O'Leary agreed to forsake the money Leeds owed him to help them with their financial problems.

(I'd have let them go bust).

Oh, no. He definitely didn't. He took £3m from Leeds and spent a reasonable chunk of it on enlarging his gaff in Sicklinghall. I frequently cycle through said village; beautiful.

[silhillvilla]

I think, whisper it, O'Leary agreed to forsake the money Leeds owed him to help them with their financial problems.

(I'd have let them go bust).

Not true at all
He was on payroll years after leaving

[paul_e]

He's got an ability to talk things up when needed yet he keeps banging on about his remit being just stay in the league. If he was smart he'd never mention that at all and spin it completely differently. Like the goal is finish as high as possible or get into Europe. Yet since things started to go a little wrong he's come out with negative statements about just surviving. Who on earth wants to hear that? That's fine if that was set as an internal goal, but I don't recall any other manager openly admitting that as an aim. It's happening with Sherwood and prior to that with Lambert.

well until mr lerner has departed aiming to avoid relegation is about  the best we can hope for
and unless there is a dramatic improvement in form and results this season
this may well be the year that we dont do it

That'a not the point. Even if internally the club sets certain goals, publicly those goals don't always need to be communicated. Sherwood may very well have been set that objective but in order to boost supporter morale and player confidence there is nothing wrong with him having his own loftier goals for the club. Nobody wants to hear that our only goal is stay up.

That's unrealistic though. All managers downplay expectations. He wouldn't do himself any favours saying publicly "we'll finish top 8", or whatever, then struggling. It's also pretty obvious that we've been investing just enough to stay up for several seasons - nobody wants to hear it, but the problem is that it is true.

But that's not what happened, he made it very clear that the club wouldn't be involved in a relegation battle again, that's an expectation that he himself set.  To now suggest that his only goal is to avoid relegation is a huge u-turn and he has no one but himself to blame if it backfires on him.

I don't know if you're serious or trolling.  I hope you're trolling. 

"He has no one but himself to blame if it backfires" - presumably you mean if we get relegated? Someone inheriting a squad that came 17th, keeping them up when we looked doomed, and then over the summer lost its best players / had one of the lowest net transfer spends in the premier league?  Of all the managers in the league, surely he could say that there are any number of people to blame? 

Has he identified his best team yet? No. Has he made great substitutions every game? No.  Sometimes, it's been hard to understand the thinking. 

But to put Villa's league position firmly at his door - in fact to say there's no one else to blame - is naive idiocy, frankly.  It's clearly the result of years of poor top-to-bottom management underinvestment in the squad, and if anything he's done more than most to try and fix it.

Still, let's get the next manager in so we can start to think about when to sack them, eh?

 

bit late to reply to this but you not understanding my comment cdoesn't deserve you calling me a troll and an idiot, that's out of order.  The point I was making is that when he said we won't be in a relegation battle again and then changes it to say surviving is his objective any shit he gets from fans is his own making.  He should never have made the cocky comments in the summer and he now shouldn't be trying to save himself by downplaying his targets, in both cases the comments serve him and no one else.

[KRS]

Well the SSN panel are all behind Sherwood...pretty much blaming the transfer policy which they believe TS wasn't happy with.

On a side note...Merse sounds very "slurry" today. Hope he hasnt slipped off the wagon.

[mr underhill]

well what a surprise; a group of erstwhile footballers sticking up for one of there own! Knock me down with a feather.

[Toronto Villa]

Well looking at today's line up, thanks for keeping us up Tim. Good luck with the rest of your career

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Well looking at today's line up, thanks for keeping us up Tim. Good luck with the rest of your career. Now please, fuck off!

Fixed.