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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #5190 on: October 16, 2015, 08:28:19 AM »
It sounds like he's been talking to his mates in the media for the last couple of weeks.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #5191 on: October 16, 2015, 08:45:49 AM »
Sutton may well be his mate, but most of what he says in that article is pretty sensible.  It's more straightforward than some of the articles earlier in the week about who was choosing the players (yes I know it touches on this too).

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #5192 on: October 16, 2015, 09:00:07 AM »
He has less Premier league experience than Sherwood if we're still using that argument....

yes but someone can be good in bed even when its the first time they have had sex

You promised me you wouldn't tell anyone...

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #5193 on: October 16, 2015, 09:04:42 AM »
David Moyes is a quality manager.

I disagree. I would say at Everton he was, the past few years he clearly has not been. I weigh the recent evidence more heavily but I understand why folks make take the previous lengthy spell of success as the better case. Choices I suppose.

I still come back to my assertion that all British / Irish managers right now are poor quality. If Moyes is the best of them (and he may be) then that says more about the state our our managers than whether he is the right man for the job imho.

You're taking a role he was always doomed to fail in, as Trinity has amusingly and accurately put it and a dodgy slow start to a season [Moyes, having a slow start?!] over ten years of management where he did exceptionally well?

He took a big club, with a fine history off its back side and away from the relegation places, stabilized them, had one relapse after finishing 4th and then had them consistently playing better football and finishing higher than "lets buy a new defence this summer O'Neill'. How is he in anyway "not good enough" for us?

His nationality has nothing to do with it.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #5194 on: October 16, 2015, 09:06:20 AM »
Yes. The idea that Manu settled for Moyes because everyone else gave them the swerve, when it is arguably the biggest managerial job in club football, is basically ridiculous.
No-one wants to be the guy after the guy. You want to be the guy after the after the guy.

Moyes was doomed to fail. Bang average squad, massive expectations.

A squad so bang average that they'd just won the league by about ten points.

Which proves Fergie's genius, because they were far from having the best squad. The managed to keep van Persie fit for the whole season and won the league as a consequence.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #5195 on: October 16, 2015, 11:39:13 AM »
He wasn't, it's a myth.

I must have dreamt his post match interview at Old Trafford after Real played them in that case.

The one where Jose prostituted himself for the role?

You had my dream as well?

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #5196 on: October 16, 2015, 12:40:53 PM »
The appointment of LVG at Man U and his subsequent struggles to produce anything of note despite lashing out millions on the squad proves for me that the problem left for Moyes was absolutely massive. That Moyes either needed a lot of time and money to fix or simply wasn't the right person or personality to fix them.

What Ferguson left behind was arguably the biggest club in the world and only if you have operated previously in that kind of environment would you be able to understand the magnitude of it. If Ferguson really wanted Moyes he should have made him his assistant for two years and had him take over once he retired. I just the jump was too big from Everton, and that's not even taking into account the huge expectation coupled with the numerous challenges with squad that he needed to put right.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #5197 on: October 16, 2015, 12:49:00 PM »
I'd love it if David Moyes becomes Villa's next manager, absolutely love it.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #5198 on: October 16, 2015, 12:56:00 PM »
I wouldn't have bet on the first person to succeed Ferguson succeeding, no matter who it had been. It was always going to be traumatically difficult - you can't take out a manager who has been at a club nigh on a quarter of a century, who has won everything, including the title just previously with one of the least impressive collections of players they've had, and expect a smooth transition.

I can see the appeal of Moyes, he would certainly get more out of these players than Sherwood has so far or Lambert did with what he has.

But then again, I can also see the appeal of looking for a manager from another league (with a bit of experience). A Prandelli, if you want a name drawn randomly from that pool.

Basically, I wouldn't be unhappy with Moyes.

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« Reply #5199 on: October 16, 2015, 12:56:58 PM »
Oh, and the stuff about Randy loving Moyes and trying to get him here twice before is true (well, the person who told me heard it from someone who would have known at the time).

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #5200 on: October 16, 2015, 01:04:58 PM »
Oh, and the stuff about Randy loving Moyes and trying to get him here twice before is true (well, the person who told me heard it from someone who would have known at the time).

I can believe that and also that it wouldn't just have been about money. Villa would have been a side step for him, possibly slightly backwards given our finances at the time. Like any of us in our careers if you feel you are on an upward trajectory and you are ambitious you're not going to want to move to remain at the same level. He was clearly mates with Ferguson and might very well have started those conversations with him about one day being at Man U. Once that's in his head, there was no way he was leaving Everton for any side of significantly lesser stature.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #5201 on: October 16, 2015, 01:09:41 PM »
Oh, and the stuff about Randy loving Moyes and trying to get him here twice before is true (well, the person who told me heard it from someone who would have known at the time).

I can believe that and also that it wouldn't just have been about money. Villa would have been a side step for him, possibly slightly backwards given our finances at the time. Like any of us in our careers if you feel you are on an upward trajectory and you are ambitious you're not going to want to move to remain at the same level. He was clearly mates with Ferguson and might very well have started those conversations with him about one day being at Man U. Once that's in his head, there was no way he was leaving Everton for any side of significantly lesser stature.

I think Ferguson used to play for his old man's football team, he'd known him since he was a kid. He'd have known from some way off he had a chance.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #5202 on: October 16, 2015, 01:57:20 PM »
I'd love it if David Moyes becomes Villa's next manager, absolutely love it.

what about kevin keegan

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #5203 on: October 16, 2015, 02:03:20 PM »
Seems his usual self in the pre-match press conference...accepts responsibility for the results, shared responsibility for the signings and admits that he could get the sack if he doesn't improve results just like any other manager. Also spoke confidently that he'll turn it around and we wont get relegated...I'm still not convinced.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #5204 on: October 16, 2015, 02:05:00 PM »
From the Beeb just now, presumably from his presser:

Tim Sherwood: Aston Villa boss expects to win over club's fans
Aston Villa boss Tim Sherwood says he will win over the club's supporters despite speculation about his future.

Sherwood became Villa boss in February, took them to the FA Cup final in May and kept them in the Premier League.

However, after a poor start to the season that has seen them win just one of their first eight league matches, Villa are 18th on four points.

"The fans were singing my name three weeks ago - they'll be singing it in three weeks' time," said Sherwood.

The former Tottenham manager is "100% certain" that the club will be in the top flight next season, but has taken "full responsibility" for their poor start.

He has also denied speculation that he was disappointed by the signings the club made during the summer.

"There isn't one signing I didn't want. I like them all," he added.

"Every manager has difficult periods and this is my first one but I will get through it. I will take everything on the chin and I will turn it around.

"My objective this season is to stay in the Premier League and I have full 100% belief that we will do that."

Aston Villa play at Chelsea on Saturday before a home game against Swansea on 24 October.

 


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