It's not Sherwood!

[ozzjim]

Moyes represents the safety that Pulis and Allardyce do, you know you are going to become forged out of steel and fight and scrap and win the right to go and play.

[Villa in Denmark]

Yes Rodgers did fail at Reading, he followed the successful Steve Coppell era of Reading play 4-4-2 in the prem so he couldn't impose his own system as the players were drill in that.

Last few years we must be one of the few prem clubs that don't really have a playing identity in that our performances are so poor on a consistant basis so I really don't see that being an issue.

One thing I don't get is why managers get written off when people magnify their CV and find a bad spell at a club 5-6 years ago. If a manager on average manages 8 clubs during his career he will at some point find a club where it just dosen't work.

It's different abroad, Wenger, Klopp and Benitez all have relegations on their CVs but they still got appointments. It's like when Martinez went down and people said he was no good...yes but it's Wigan, back in league one their natural home.

If that was to me, I wasn't writing him off on the basis of Reading, I said as it was his first job, you could argue to give him some slack for it.

I didn't know Klopp had a relegation on his CV.  As far as I knew his first job was at Mainz where he got them promoted to the Bundesliga for first time in years, and got them into the Europa League, then moved to Dortmund.

Technically Benitez hasn't got a relegation as he was sacked by Valladolid and Osasuna before he managed to take them down, but he might as well have two on his record.

Sherwood might yet develop into a fine a manager, but it's not going to be with us.  And as for every manager having a club where it just doesn't click, here's hoping his latest one is Klopp's

[Chinchilla Bathhouse]

Moyes represents the safety that Pulis and Allardyce do, you know you are going to become forged out of steel and fight and scrap and win the right to go and play.

Moyes represents safety in that he's a steady and reliable hand, but I think it's harsh to put him in the same bracket as Pulis and Allardyce.  Everton fans may moan (they always bloody do), but they played some decent football under Moyes.  Not earth-shattering, but at least it looked like football, and Moyes signed some good footballers, as opposed to the assortment of heavyweight boxers, bouncers and bricklayers that those other two populate their squads with.

I just think we need someone with the balls, the grit and the talent to take control of a huge rudderless ship and turn it around - which Moyes has demonstrably done.  Doesn't have to be him, someone young and dynamic is fine, as long as it's someone who has the managerial ability to match (or preferably outweigh) their massive ego.  The last thing I want is another self-serving rent-a-quote manager, if all we're looking for is someone who can do good bantz with Gary Lineker then we might as well appoint Willie frigging Thorne. 

Our recent history of lurching from one bonkers managerial appointment to the next with no apparent eye for continuity has left us entrenched in this hellish cycle where the pressure grows with every failure; now every managerial choice is more crucial than the last, the stakes are higher, desperation increases, the wrong decision is made, and we go again (sorry), and again, and again, and eventually we're so far down the list we end up in the bottom three with the blagger's blagger at the helm.  At some point we have to stop pissing about with these short-sighted punts and make a reasoned, informed, intelligent and thoughtful appointment of someone who can get us moving in the right direction and build for the future. 

[Sexual Ealing]

Particularly the last point about Moyes. Why would anyone want a decade's career regression?

He might have more money at his disposal than he had at Everton.

I doubt it. He made some comparatively big buys for them if I recall correctly: Fellaini, Lescott, all the strikers that didn't work out (Johnson, Saha, Yakubu), Distin, Baines, Rodwell, Bilyaletdinov (sp.). I can't see Randolph forking out for similar equivalents nowadays.

I don't think it's fair to describe Rodwell as an expensive purchase considering he joined them when he was seven!

Ha! Well, have you seen the fucking price of pick n' mix?!

[The Edge]

That's losers talk!!! We ain't going down.Even a banker like Randy knows it's financial suicide if we do. The club will do what's needed when the time comes. BUT ffs they need to make some seriously clever decisions if we are ever going to get out of this groundhog day nightmare that we've found ourselves in ever since the wee irish fella spat his dummy out in 2010.

[old man villa fan]

If we do replace the manager, one thing I am certain about is that we must go for somebody with experience and that has managed at a high level.  We must reduce the risk of a new manager not succeeding as much as possible.

The last three managers would have to have stepped up a level to get Villa to an acceptable level.  A new manager must be somebody that has managed clubs at the upper end of their league.  The only two from British football that fit that bill are Rodgers and Moyes but we should be looking outside of British managers as well.

The money will be there but does the club have 'ambition' to sell that will make it attractive.

[ozzjim]

Moyes represents the safety that Pulis and Allardyce do, you know you are going to become forged out of steel and fight and scrap and win the right to go and play.

Moyes represents safety in that he's a steady and reliable hand, but I think it's harsh to put him in the same bracket as Pulis and Allardyce.  Everton fans may moan (they always bloody do), but they played some decent football under Moyes.  Not earth-shattering, but at least it looked like football, and Moyes signed some good footballers, as opposed to the assortment of heavyweight boxers, bouncers and bricklayers that those other two populate their squads with.

I just think we need someone with the balls, the grit and the talent to take control of a huge rudderless ship and turn it around - which Moyes has demonstrably done.  Doesn't have to be him, someone young and dynamic is fine, as long as it's someone who has the managerial ability to match (or preferably outweigh) their massive ego.  The last thing I want is another self-serving rent-a-quote manager, if all we're looking for is someone who can do good bantz with Gary Lineker then we might as well appoint Willie frigging Thorne. 

Our recent history of lurching from one bonkers managerial appointment to the next with no apparent eye for continuity has left us entrenched in this hellish cycle where the pressure grows with every failure; now every managerial choice is more crucial than the last, the stakes are higher, desperation increases, the wrong decision is made, and we go again (sorry), and again, and again, and eventually we're so far down the list we end up in the bottom three with the blagger's blagger at the helm.  At some point we have to stop pissing about with these short-sighted punts and make a reasoned, informed, intelligent and thoughtful appointment of someone who can get us moving in the right direction and build for the future. 

I was not comparing the style of play, more the expectation of knowing what you will get.

Don't get me wrong, Moyes wanders in tomorrow morning I would be delighted, you know that he is up to the job and would get the best from some of the players there. Big worry would be that he was notoriously poor at getting strikers, but I think we would have the raw squad for him to build a decent team out of.

Rodgers is much more of a gamble, but may pay off more handsomely down the line. I just want a safe pair of hands that wins more than 5 home games a season to be fair.

[LukeJames]

To be fair to Moyes his Everton teams movement in the 3-3 at Villa Park was miles ahead of ours, they played some lovely stuff that day.

[passitsideways]

To be fair to Moyes his Everton teams movement in the 3-3 at Villa Park was miles ahead of ours, they played some lovely stuff that day.

They pissed all over us in Lambert's second game in charge as well.

[rob_bridge]

To be fair to Moyes his Everton teams movement in the 3-3 at Villa Park was miles ahead of ours, they played some lovely stuff that day.

They pissed all over us in Lambert's second game in charge as well.

Indeed. So much so they seemed to feel sorry for us and played in 1st gear in the 2nd half. Thought they were going to offer us a player or 2 at one stage.

[Malandro]

To be fair to Moyes his Everton teams movement in the 3-3 at Villa Park was miles ahead of ours, they played some lovely stuff that day.

They pissed all over us in Lambert's second game in charge as well.

Indeed. So much so they seemed to feel sorry for us and played in 1st gear in the 2nd half. Thought they were going to offer us a player or 2 at one stage.

They could have had ten goals that day

[mr underhill]

Moysie for me- I'm longing for mid table anonymity

[Nastylee]

We're all jumping the gun though. We need to pull the trigger on the present incumbent first.

[ozzjim]

I don't know why but i almost expect that is a formality now. Strange as i never thought we would sack Lambert

[brontebilly]

If we do replace the manager, one thing I am certain about is that we must go for somebody with experience and that has managed at a high level.  We must reduce the risk of a new manager not succeeding as much as possible.

The last three managers would have to have stepped up a level to get Villa to an acceptable level.  A new manager must be somebody that has managed clubs at the upper end of their league.  The only two from British football that fit that bill are Rodgers and Moyes but we should be looking outside of British managers as well.

The money will be there but does the club have 'ambition' to sell that will make it attractive.

There is no way we are getting relegated if we appoint either Rodgers or Moyes in the next couple of weeks. Look at the teams around us, not a chance. We replace that utter charlatan with a decent experienced manager, you know one competent at putting a structure and style of play on the team and we will improve very quickly imo. It doesn't need to be a Klopp or Mourinho but it's needs to be quick as our players need direction urgently. Both Moyes and Rodgers are eminently capable of that.

Allardyce is a very good appointment at Sunderland but they only have 3 or 4 players that are top division standard. Newcastle will pull away too starting with this weekend I reckon. Bournemouth with their injuries will really struggle over Xmas I think.