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Offline Ads

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4935 on: October 12, 2015, 04:29:34 PM »
Pearson is absolutely hat-stand. No thanks.

Moyes would make more sense. At Man United he was bound to fail, following who he did. Rodgers would be a better option, if given the brief to create a set up like the one he worked with at Swansea.

Although to differing degrees, none of those really grab me. I'd rather we tried something a bit more different and went for someone like Prandelli.

Rodgers didn't create the set up, he was just smart enough not to break it.

Moyes on the other hand took a big old club that had spent far too long grubbing around with the dead men. He made them very hard to beat and got them playing some decent stuff too, to such an extent that he was consistently able to finish 5th above big spending Martin O'Neill.

Moyes would be an excellent manager for us.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4936 on: October 12, 2015, 04:29:43 PM »
It might be that my memory is failing, but didn't Moyes turn us down pre Lambert or maybe even pre McLeish? It may have been paper talk at the time, but if it's true then I can't see what has changed at the club in the meantime to make him change his mind about coming here. As for Rodgers, the chat is that most of 'his' signings at Liverpool were chosen by some sort of backroom committee. So after hearing whispers that most of our new signings were not first choice by Sherwood but 'strong backroom recommendations', I can't see Rodgers putting up with that again.
For what it's worth, if Sherwood goes I'd move heaven and earth to get Sean Dyche in.   

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4937 on: October 12, 2015, 04:41:35 PM »
The problem with Rodgers is that he has never got the defence right at Liverpool, and I just wish someone would come into our club and sort that fucker out once and for all. That said, I would have a lot more hope of survival with Rodgers than with Tim. And it's a shame because I like Tim, he looks like he cares, he's got plenty of personality and he played his part in a big overhaul in the summer. He also kept us up and got us to a cup final and beat the stripey filth twice in a week or so last season. I think he's now being found out.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4938 on: October 12, 2015, 04:46:59 PM »
It might be that my memory is failing, but didn't Moyes turn us down pre Lambert or maybe even pre McLeish? It may have been paper talk at the time, but if it's true then I can't see what has changed at the club in the meantime to make him change his mind about coming here.   

He's not next in the queue for the Man U job anymore.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4939 on: October 12, 2015, 04:49:41 PM »
With Rodgers I would be looking for a good assistant and coaching set-up. Remember he left Watford to join Reading and then relegated them. He was lucky at the redscouse having Suarez and Sturridge firing + Gerard still influential.

Something that's brought up a lot with Rodgers over the last few pages is that his tenure is made to look better by having Suarez. Which isn't something that happened completely in isolation - Kenny Dalglish had 18 months of Suarez, in the one full season they had together Liverpool finished eighth and Suarez scored 11 goals.

If it were just Suarez being great and the manager had nothing to do with it, there's no reason that he wouldn't have been doing it the previous season under Dalglish as well.

Player taking a season to settle in the English game, maybe? /devils_advocate

Well, he had been there since the previous January, so he was taking a long time to do it. Particularly as he didn't really need to take 18 months to adapt to a new league following his move away from Liverpool.

Or, to put it another way - had Liverpool stuck with Dalglish would Suarez have gone on to do as well as he did under Rodgers? It's all conjecture but I can't see it myself.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4940 on: October 12, 2015, 04:52:53 PM »
The last ex Man Utd manager that we've had that had previously managed in Spain didn't do too bad did he?......

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4941 on: October 12, 2015, 04:52:56 PM »
It is funny how your opinion can change rapidly with managers.

When Liverpool finished second, with their high pressing high tempo game under Rodgers. I thought he was the best young manager in the game. Amazing flowing attacking football that was blowing teams away. Now I look at him and wonder if he could possibly organise a defence and his new teeth bother me more than they should.

When Moyes was doing wonders at Everton, and got the Utd job he looked like he could possibly do a job replacing Ferguson. Now he just looks like another dour Scottish manager, who loves to play defensive football.

Hughes looked great at Blackburn & Fulham, Shit at City and QPR, good at Stoke.

Let alone how happy I was when we appointed O'Neil and Lambert, and how soul crushing their tenures ended up being.





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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4942 on: October 12, 2015, 05:09:12 PM »
It is funny how your opinion can change rapidly with managers.


I think John E summed it up well earlier - you can look at any number of things, there isn't anybody we could employ who would be a guaranteed success. Or a guaranteed failure for that matter.

We'll be taking a risk whoever we go for - look at the examples that have been given of the sort of things we should be looking for, Ranieri at Leicester and Koeman at Southampton. Ranieri had been fired from his last six of his last seven jobs because of how badly he did (the seventh he resigned because of how badly Roma were doing) and will probably go down as Greece's worst manager in their history. Koeman had been managing for a decade and failed at every job he did outside the Eredivisie.

Regardless of their successes and failures elsewhere, it's nothing to say that anybody would succeed or fail with us.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4943 on: October 12, 2015, 05:20:00 PM »
Now I look at him and wonder if he could possibly organise a defence and his new teeth bother me more than they should.

That sentence made me do an actual lol.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4944 on: October 12, 2015, 05:30:45 PM »
So Rogers only finished 2nd because he had some good players

Yeah like that hasn't happened before,
SAF and Moaniho got there success with a bunch of duds did they


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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4945 on: October 12, 2015, 05:37:15 PM »
And this season promised so much in my eyes no more dull signings win on first day.
Then 8 games in and I'm already looking at 3 other clubs fixtures for the following week ev week Bournemouth Newcastle and Sunderland.
Pick your fucking system pick your first team and stick to it and if it don't work do the honourable thing

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4946 on: October 12, 2015, 05:51:30 PM »
Pearson is absolutely hat-stand. No thanks.

Moyes would make more sense. At Man United he was bound to fail, following who he did. Rodgers would be a better option, if given the brief to create a set up like the one he worked with at Swansea.

Although to differing degrees, none of those really grab me. I'd rather we tried something a bit more different and went for someone like Prandelli.

I agree with all of that until the last bit. I think we are too fragile at the moment to take that sort of gamble.



He is going to China apparently!

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4947 on: October 12, 2015, 05:54:14 PM »
Desperation Game.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4948 on: October 12, 2015, 06:19:51 PM »
I see Ancelotti has said that he would like to return to the Premier League. Just saying...

Out of Rodgers, Moyes and Pearson, Rodgers would be the best of a bad bunch. The odd thing is that Pearson is the psycho but Moyes has the bulging eyes.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4949 on: October 12, 2015, 06:34:10 PM »
I'm surprised people are really suggesting Pearson. I agree that any manager is a gamble, but him? He's as mad as a box of frogs. No thanks.

I'd like Moyes here, I don't agree he failed at Man Utd either. Fergie left them in a shit state and he only had a few bob to spend. LVG has spent a fortune without much progress than Moyes made.

Rodgers is worth a punt and that's a very good point Dave made regarding Surez and how well he played under him compared to Daglish.

 


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