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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4770 on: October 11, 2015, 01:01:37 PM »
Haven't Swansea improved since Rodgers left . They haven't missed him at all

Therefore, he's bad. Sound logic. Barcelona won lots since Guardiola left, must be crap. And hey, Tony Barton won us the Big Cup, so that Ron Saunders was a load of rubbish.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4771 on: October 11, 2015, 01:35:27 PM »
I realise I am much in the minority but do not think he has been given long enough. He inherited an absolute shambles of a team and should be given until Christmas-even if it means we sink further. Again, I must be the only one who thinks Ray Wilkins is a great choice for assistant.
Both speak plainly and I do not think we want to hear anything at all when we lose. I am as disappointed as anyone but also do not expect too much after the last 10 years of misery.

Xmas will be too late at this rate. Why is Wilkins such a great choice?

10 years of misery? Where were you between 07 and 10 when we were decent under MON?

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4772 on: October 11, 2015, 01:40:15 PM »
Rodgers arrived and bought into the whole committee thing. Managers need control but it was his first major position as manager. He certainly got lucky with Suarez because those players don't come round very often but I think the Liverpool job, the heightened expectations and immense spending took him away from being a football manager and coach. He wouldn't have that as much of that with us. At least not initially. You need to be a big personality to be at Liverpool and have enough of a reputation to demand certain things which is why Klopp might do well. Rodgers wouldn't have been in that position so hopefully he has come out of the other end wiser and wanting to get his career back on track. I'm not entirely convinced by him but he's been in management for long enough now and has a style of play that I like overall.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4773 on: October 11, 2015, 03:48:44 PM »
There's no guarantee Rodgers would be any better than Sherwood, but there's a considerable amount of solid evidence pointing to Rodgers being at least competent, whereas with Sherwood there is very little indeed.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4774 on: October 11, 2015, 04:04:49 PM »
Really enthused to see all these stories about Tim going, he clearly doesn't have the capacity to put things right. I genuinely believe we have the worst manager in the division at present, he stands out as thick in the world of football which takes some doing.

The whole thing just emphasises how much of a shambles the club has become.  No forward planning, just making decisions on a whim.

This club deserves so much better, but Lerner and Fox deserve relegation.  Neither could run a bath.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4775 on: October 11, 2015, 04:17:40 PM »
Haven't Swansea improved since Rodgers left . They haven't missed him at all

Therefore, he's bad. Sound logic. Barcelona won lots since Guardiola left, must be crap. And hey, Tony Barton won us the Big Cup, so that Ron Saunders was a load of rubbish.

You can't really compare Barcelona to Swansea.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4776 on: October 11, 2015, 04:50:11 PM »
Haven't Swansea improved since Rodgers left . They haven't missed him at all

Therefore, he's bad. Sound logic. Barcelona won lots since Guardiola left, must be crap. And hey, Tony Barton won us the Big Cup, so that Ron Saunders was a load of rubbish.

You can't really compare Barcelona to Swansea.

Just the logic was silly - just because a successor does well, doesn't mean the predecessor was rubbish. Rodgers got them promoted and to mid-table in the Premier League, and with a bit of style.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4777 on: October 11, 2015, 04:58:52 PM »
Might be time for a poll on the new manager

Suspect the stories today are confirming the board has lost faith in Sherwood and are already seeking alternatives

Two games to save his job when one of them are against Chelsea suggests its all over bar the size of the final settlement

We dont want to be shopping at the same time as Newcastle

Rodgers has worked well with young players before including Sinclair and is a highly regarded coach.

Mind you, he appeared unable to organise a defence during his time at Liverpool and that should be the first thing addressed

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4778 on: October 11, 2015, 05:00:56 PM »
I'd be very happy with Rodgers. I think he'd operate well without the expectation of having to spend £20m on a player just because the fans are deluded to think they should be operating at that level. Football should be a lot cleverer than lashing out big money especially when you don't have to. I love what Swansea have done and if we got that and built on it because of our size and potential we can achieve a lot.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4779 on: October 11, 2015, 05:05:15 PM »
Well all this talk of Rodgers is much better to hear than Villa fans hoping for Big Sam as we were reading not too long ago.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4780 on: October 11, 2015, 05:27:49 PM »
If it is that Rogers comes to Villa, I would not say no to Macalister coming as coach.
Feel sorry for Sherwood but it just has not happened for him since the initial few games last
Season

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4781 on: October 11, 2015, 05:33:41 PM »
Anyone else find themselves deeply unconvinced by Brendan Rodgers?

Yes, he got them to second, but how much of that was about Suarez?

And if we're concerned about tactical messes now, what about the tactical clusterfuck he managed to produce in the semi final?

I'm not overly convinced about him either. As you said, Suarez played a massive part in the season they nearly won the title. Would they done so well without him?

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4782 on: October 11, 2015, 05:43:07 PM »
I actually think the expectation caused by that season, getting back in the CL and having all that money to spend did much more harm than good. It was very sudden and instead of getting in some proper talent, partly because a number of their main targets turned them down, then overpaid for a lot decent or good not great players. Too many players too quickly and he didn't have complete control of those decisions. I think he'll be fine with our squad which has a lot of talented young players and he'd need to work with a far more disciplined framework. We are scouting so many better young players now that the future in that regard is very promising. Just need a manager who can put it altogether.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4783 on: October 11, 2015, 05:45:57 PM »
Suarez had been at Liverpool over two years at that point, it wasn't like he just pitched up that summer. He played full seasons under Dalglish and indeed Rodgers when they finished 7th.

Maybe just maybe Rodgers deserves a bit of credit for devising a system that got the absolute best out of him?

Liverpool were very good to watch in 13/14. As poor as they were last season they still went on a long unbeaten run from December to March. IMO if Sturridge had been fit for most of last season they'd still have finished 4th and possibly beaten us in the cup given his insane scoring record v us.

I not saying he dosen't have flaws otherwise he'd still be in a job. Likes of Grealish, Gil and Amavi would enjoy working with him imo.

Paulie give up Houllier ain't coming back. ;)

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4784 on: October 11, 2015, 05:46:00 PM »
Anyone else find themselves deeply unconvinced by Brendan Rodgers?

Yes, he got them to second, but how much of that was about Suarez?

And if we're concerned about tactical messes now, what about the tactical clusterfuck he managed to produce in the semi final?

I'm not overly convinced about him either. As you said, Suarez played a massive part in the season they nearly won the title. Would they done so well without him?

Have to agree with these  posts. Rodgers is an improvement on Sherwood and his predecessors but I also think his one good season with Liverpool was due to having Suarez and to a lesser extent Sturridge. I'd like to see a proven continental manager who believes in attacking football.


 


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