It's not Sherwood!

[robbo1874]

I think Dave's description of Sherwood as "slightly dopey" encapsulates his failings perfectly.  He is like the kid who, given a box of Lego which makes a horse throws the horse picture away and clumps together his own scary monster. He just cannot make the connection between the picture on the box and the pieces it contains.

"He" has brought in some cracking players but does not have the vision, brain or imagination to form them into a team.

I agree with everything that has been said about his plunge in popularity being due to his predecessors being given far too much time and patience but Sherwood is personally falling short of expectations.   Usually the cocky, brash, self confident Thames estuary man has ability under the shell of self promotion.  Even Arthur Daley, Derek Trotter and Boris Johnson have the cat like ability always to land on their feet.  Sherwood seems to be the exception to the rule and lands on his head.  Scratch the surface of Tim Sherwood and underneath there is only the scary monster maker.

brian I don't really agree, but it certainly made me laugh, your post.

[adrenachrome]

This was always going to happen. In the situation we were in, Timah was a saviour but it was obvious there would be a price to be paid down the line. He is as dumb as  a bag of spanners. This is not with the benefit of hindsight either -  check out posts early in the thread.

By the same logic, I  was in favour of Fat Sam this time, purely in order to survive in the PL. In other circumstances, I would not want TS or BFS anywhere near our club, but this is where we are.

[villadelph]

This was always going to happen. In the situation we were in, Timah was a saviour but it was obvious there would be a price to be paid down the line. He is as dumb as  a bag of spanners. This is not with the benefit of hindsight either -  check out posts early in the thread.

By the same logic, I  was in favour of Fat Sam this time, purely in order to survive in the PL. In other circumstances, I would not want TS or BFS anywhere near our club, but this is where we are.

Fat Sam?

How could people want him when we actually have the player personnel capable of playing some decent football. I don't want to stay up, I want to progress into a club with some stability.

[Sexual Ealing]

The thing with Sherwood, as was apparent to a lot of us (if not necessarily me), is that he's a gobshite who'll tell a few home truths and generate some momentum. The problem for him is that, when the momentum runs out, he's just a gobshite who nobody likes.

[Hoppo]

He is still our manager. He warrants respect till that changes. The stuff on here shows how 'fickle' some are. I'm shocked, I rarely read this site now.
Please don't speak for me when you call him a 'gobshite'.

[Sexual Ealing]

At no point during the typing of the word 'gobshite' did I think I was speaking for you, Hoppo.

[villadelph]

He is still our manager. He warrants respect till that changes. The stuff on here shows how 'fickle' some are. I'm shocked, I rarely read this site now.
Please don't speak for me when you call him a 'gobshite'.

Get your head out of the sand.

That's like saying we should've respected Lamert into League 1.

[Rudy65]

This was always going to happen. In the situation we were in, Timah was a saviour but it was obvious there would be a price to be paid down the line. He is as dumb as  a bag of spanners. This is not with the benefit of hindsight either -  check out posts early in the thread.

By the same logic, I  was in favour of Fat Sam this time, purely in order to survive in the PL. In other circumstances, I would not want TS or BFS anywhere near our club, but this is where we are.

Fat Sam?

How could people want him when we actually have the player personnel capable of playing some decent football. I don't want to stay up, I want to progress into a club with some stability.

Agreed. But the stability comes first

[Rudy65]

We played very well for two months under him.

As much as he looks clueless now I'm disappointed that is being airbrushed off as a fluke period.

We were outstanding obviously v Liverpool but we had two good games v WBA in a high pressure situation, we won very well at Sunderland, we won for the first time in ages at White Hart Lane in another excellent display and were very good at home to Everton aswell, a team who've been taking the mick at VP in recent years.

Now the more I look at it the battering we got out of the blue at Southampton seems to have fcuked the mindset of him and the team as the following week we were very poor at home to Burnley. Most thought we were just saving ourseleves for the cup final...the first five minutes of that showed otherwise.

It's disappointing but there were some promising aspects in his reign early on...he at least got us on the front foot playing with tempo and quality. Shame it couldn't last.

Yes agreed.

But he came into a club and replaced a manager from a very low base. He had a world class striker to hand as well as Grealish who was chomping at the bit to play regularly. So yes he should take some credit for that, but as often happens, there is an up turn in form when a new manager arrives, the difficult part is keeping that going.

I think he made a rod for his own back last season, when things were going well he was all mouth and throwing his clothing on the floor when we scored. He therefore sets himself up for a fall when things go badly and his brash demeanour changes to someone who looks clueless. 

I think all of us on here have a pretty good footy knowledge and we can spot a mile off the bull that Sherwood is spouting. I would even go as far as to say I dont think the players are playing for him. I would also question the general set up of Wilkins and co and Paddy Reilly and whether that is causing an awful lot of ill feeling in the background. Not helpful when the clib needs to be pulling together

[pbavfckuwait]

The issue as always with the Villa I believe is alot deeper than just TS, we seem to be trying to implement a system through the club as with the scouting and signing of the players by Reilly and I think his name is Henrik, with the financials I should imagine being done by Fox, fine as long as all concerned TS included buy into the system it has a chance of working, in fact a lot of foreign clubs implement this system regardless, the manager has to buy into it, that's the way it is. Long term should allow the structure of the club to grow playing style wise and form an identity regardless of who is manager.

Then thou we have to appreciate this is going to take time to settle and hopefully prosper and where you need a manager that buys into it completely and will set up a formation and that formation should best suit the payers available, this is where the plan has faltered for the time being, Sherwood does not seem to know tactically how best to find a system that suits what he has available and is changing from game to game in fact half to half, leaving the players looking clueless and without leadership.

Fox should have done some better checks on Sherwood and as some had already stated not just rely on what Sherwood agreed too, he would have agreed to anything to get this gig.

Then comes our part in this sorry state of affairs, we have been brow beaten to the point of no return, our patience has gone and even thou our expectations have been lowered, lower than a snakes belly, we can still smell a chancer when we see one and are just not willing to give any time to the incumbent to put it right, not saying this one could by the way, but that time that may be required will not be given.
From the vibes this week, Sherwood getting his excuses in through his mates in the media, Fox probably through his mates in the media, setting amount of games deadlines, we find ourselves in that cycle that is becoming far to familiar at VP, jumping on the management merry go round again, please Villa if that is what is to happen, give it plenty of thought before handing over the reigns of a very very high profile position. Get it wrong this time and we could be reaching the point of no return.

[Phil from the upper holte]

I was talking to an Albion season ticket holder the other day. Along with saying how boring they are to watch, he also said they're glad to be rid of Lescott as he's past it now and making too many mistakes.

Regarding Sherwood, he just seems to have fallen apart. He didn't look the incapable manager he had been portrayed to be, with maybe the exception of the last 2 or 3 games. There's no need to distort what happened last season to make it fit a biased opinion when what's happening at the moment show clearly shows that he's no longer up to the task.

Anyone else notice how much time in the last few games he has spent sat on his arse?

I always think you can deduce a lot from a manager's body language. In his last month or two, Lambert just sat there looking ashen faced and utterly immobilised, like he had passed away and someone was projecting a film of a living Lambert onto his face.

MON also did similar in that pre-season match before he flounced out, sat in the stands in his suit looking like an accountant passed over for promotion.

Sherwood recently has looked the same. Mostly sat on his arse, springing up every now and then to make a serious of surely meaningless, indecipherable hand gestures like he's weaving an invisible blanket or something.

What the hell is he trying to say with those stupid gestures?

[Ian.]

I was talking to an Albion season ticket holder the other day. Along with saying how boring they are to watch, he also said they're glad to be rid of Lescott as he's past it now and making too many mistakes.

Regarding Sherwood, he just seems to have fallen apart. He didn't look the incapable manager he had been portrayed to be, with maybe the exception of the last 2 or 3 games. There's no need to distort what happened last season to make it fit a biased opinion when what's happening at the moment show clearly shows that he's no longer up to the task.

Anyone else notice how much time in the last few games he has spent sat on his arse?

I always think you can deduce a lot from a manager's body language. In his last month or two, Lambert just sat there looking ashen faced and utterly immobilised, like he had passed away and someone was projecting a film of a living Lambert onto his face.

MON also did similar in that pre-season match before he flounced out, sat in the stands in his suit looking like an accountant passed over for promotion.

Sherwood recently has looked the same. Mostly sat on his arse, springing up every now and then to make a serious of surely meaningless, indecipherable hand gestures like he's weaving an invisible blanket or something.

What the hell is he trying to say with those stupid gestures?

Your twistimg my melon man

[mr underhill]

look, this is all about the money. What makes more sense - say you got it wrong (again!) & swallow another compo jackpot and appoint someone like Moyes or Rodgers and stand a very good chance of staying in the Croesus League, or soldier on with Tim and go down, sticking with what you have out of fear of being perceived as unjust, ruthless, and reactionary? I really wanted Tim to do well as when he first arrived he was like so far removed from TSM2 as to be from another galaxy. But it isn't working.

[silhillvilla]

Relegation would be desperate. We could be down for years like Leeds, sheffield weds or forest. It doesn't bare thinking about.

[Duncan Shaw]

First rumblings in the papers this morning of him being in trouble, maybe they are the ones without his mates writing for them....