It's not Sherwood!

[PeterWithesShin]

It's not that difficult either if you are appointing managers based on them being capable of continuation of a style. Swansea having being doing it for a decade with half a dozen different managers. We just seem to appoint someone and hope for the best that this time it will work.

[KRS]

Absolute grim reading on here tonight. A complete and utter over exaggeration. Its almost as if no one on here actually knew about our form, injuries, league position and that we were playing Liverpool at Anfield this weekend.

Sure Liverpool aren't in great form either and BR is under pressure, and we shouldn't just roll over to our opponents, but the likely result (regardless of results from previous seasons) was that we would lose today. Given that this was the case and it is actually what happened, since when did it become a great shock that we could be in the bottom 3 and still on 4 points?!

The game wasn't great...in fact, we were shit and the tactics were wrong, but the game plan went completely tits up as soon as we conceded after 70 seconds. TS set the team up to frustrate Liverpool rather than attack, but like ourselves, TS didn't expect his players to get off to such a crap start. The main complaint should be that he had 89 minutes to change things but we didn't start showing anything until 69 minutes later.

At the end of the day, we lost a game that generally we wouldn't normally expect to win, so the daggers coming out today in the full knowledge of everything I've mentioned in my first paragraph is very much OTT. I dont expect anything against Chelsea or Man City, but if we lose against Stoke next weekend (or play shit) then that will be the time to start getting concerned about our league position.

[pauliewalnuts]

I like the idea that our "form" is given as an excuse to not expect to pick up points.

The daggers aren't coming out because of today, either, I'd have thought that was pretty obvious.

[KevinGage]

I'd have hoped we would have at least inserted a clause in his contract so that we wouldn't have to pay up his entire contract should we find ourselves staring relegation in the face, but that kind of forward planning is probably too much to ask for.

I definitely don't think he'll walk out, as a few people suggested he might if the crowd turned on him. We're his last chance saloon, quit now and he'll never get another job in management, and miss out on a few million quid.

He'd be foolish not to look at Lamberk and heed the warning.

PL stayed on too long, that's what has killed his chances of getting a similar job anytime soon.  Whereas if he had quit after the in May 2014 or even at the end of 2013, the press would have been far more sympathetic. 'Poisoned chalice/ what could he honestly do there anyway.'

He stayed long enough to well and truly put the kybosh on those kind of excuses.

I'm not writing Sherwood off at this point.  He wouldn't have been my first choice, or even fifth.  But he'd here now, and there was a degree of promise in those first few months.  Sadly, He seems determined to erode any of that goodwill built up from that period with his flannel.  I do wish he would shut up. 

If we feel that way, I wouldn't be surprised if a fair few of the players do to. The ones he inherited probably welcomed his cheek and cockiness originally, compared to the morose moose he replaced, who had all the charm and personality of a cornish pasty. But the shtick is wearing a bit thin now.

[weloveyoucarew]

The only thing that's more embarrassing than our teams shite displays are our managers toe-curling interviews.  He really does sound like he's making it up as he goes along.  The man is an out and out liar.

It's Sherbert!

[Villa in Denmark]

You prove the futility of your first point.

Absolute grim reading on here tonight. A complete and utter over exaggeration. Its almost as if no one on here actually knew about our form, injuries, league position and that we were playing Liverpool at Anfield this weekend.

With your third point.

The game wasn't great...in fact, we were shit and the tactics were wrong, but the game plan went completely tits up as soon as we conceded after 70 seconds. TS set the team up to frustrate Liverpool rather than attack, but like ourselves, TS didn't expect his players to get off to such a crap start. The main complaint should be that he had 89 minutes to change things but we didn't start showing anything until 69 minutes later.

People aren't upset with losing, more the absolutely brain dead way we conceded the game tactically before we'd even kicked off.
On the back of Leicester and the first half against that lot from down the road it looks like the fears of those who were more than a little sceptical are being proved true.
Namely that he's a gobshite chancer that hasn't got a clue of the basics.

When Martin Laursen in his post match analysis is looking visibly angry and stops just short of calling Sherwood a useless wanker whilst pulling the tactics apart and saying he doesn't understand how Sherwood thought that set up would work as there's more to playing defensively than parking 10 men on the edge of the penalty area I'll take that as pretty robust backing for my point of view and the quicker we get a manager with a brain in place the better off we'll be.

[Villa in Denmark]

The only thing that's more embarrassing than our teams shite displays are our managers toe-curling interviews.  He really does sound like he's making it up as he goes along.  The man is an out and out liar.

It's Sherbert!

Well he sure is looking like a lemon.

[OCD]

When Martin Laursen in his post match analysis is looking visibly angry and stops just short of calling Sherwood a useless wanker whilst pulling the tactics apart and saying he doesn't understand how Sherwood thought that set up would work as there's more to playing defensively than parking 10 men on the edge of the penalty area I'll take that as pretty robust backing for my point of view and the quicker we get a manager with a brain in place the better off we'll be.

Interesting to read that.

I thought it was a cowardly way to set-up and not at all with all the bluster Sherwood gives out about going to attack teams. We were playing a poor side in poor form, we shouldn't be acting as though we're going to the Nou Camp or the Bernabeau.

Once his game plan went up in smoke, there should have been instructions going out to set-up with a higher defensive line and apply pressure. Maybe even play with the ball in THEIR half. The first time we did that we scored.

I couldn't believe there were no half-time substitutions. Even more unbelievable that we had to go 2-0 down and even then it was a like-for-like substitution and we still sat too deep and didn't put pressure on the ball.

Then in his post-match interview he comes out saying we're a work-in-progress. He said nothing about his tactics being wrong or that we weren't set-up correctly. I would have had more respect if he had taken ownership of his mistakes rather than coming out with the same line that's getting tired. We may be a work-in-progress but there's some good quality in the squad and the results have been more to do with his tactical ineptitude than players not knowing eachother.

In one game he's changed my opinion from that of someone aware that he's inexperienced but willing to give him time to that of someone who now realises it's not going to work and we're going to have to make a change again. Except of course the board will probably wait until the last possible second again and instead of having a season where we're comfortable, we end up fighting for our lives again.

[Walmley_Villa]

The worry is he doesn't have a clue what his best team is and keeps tinkering meaning there is not momentum. I hate the way Villa have predominantly played with one lead striker hoping the midfield will get in a support. When was the last time we hammered a team and created endless chances? I like a striking partnership which we don't seem to have had for years.

[Villa in Denmark]

The worry is he doesn't have a clue what his best team is and keeps tinkering meaning there is not momentum. I hate the way Villa have predominantly played with one lead striker hoping the midfield will get in a support. When was the last time we hammered a team and created endless chances? I like a striking partnership which we don't seem to have had for years.

I think the bigger worry is that he just doesn't have a clue.

Not a perfect analogy, but I'm starting to think of Audley Harrison's boxing career.

Did ok in a comfy relatively controlled environment to start with. (spurs)
Raised a few eyebrows when he stepped up to where the pressure was.(taking on the Villa job)
On the surface did ok at the start of his life at the sharp end but question marks about how much was behind it all.
First time he gets hit by someone who means it doesn't know what to do. (Southampton)
Pisses around for a while without ever looking convincing. Every time he gets hit hard again he looks ever less convincing.

Since Southampton I can only think of the first 60 minutes against  Leicester and second half against that lot where we've looked like a proper team that knew what they were doing.

The only game I can think of since he arrived where he's actually done someone tactically is Rodgers in the semi-final.

He deserves masses of gratitude for keeping us up, but I'm becoming ever more convinced that it was the power of positive thinking and pushing the whole team 15 yards further up the pitch, rather than some genius like coaching.

The way it's all fallen apart after Southampton is frightening.

[class-of-82]

This time next year rodney

[oswald funkletrumpet]

This time next year rodney
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ive also posted this lol

its always jam tomorrow, when gana is back, when grealish is back, if nzog could recapture his form from 5 years ago, when traore if fit, when okore comes back yada yada yada

we have been circling the plughole for 5 seasons and this season i dont think we will find the plug

[VicMackey]

I'd like to know what the rest of the coaching staff do all day.  Is Timmy some dictatorial maniac who comes up with every tactic and idea and then insists on it being put into place no matter how ludicrous?  Don't they have the balls to say 'hang on boss, this doesn't make sense'. 

[brian green]

It is not October and there is widespread clamour for the manager to be sacked. I think the poster's comment that we should hurry up and get a new manager we can sack rings with the truth of black humour. As is often the case with people Sherwood is a microcosm of his failings.   Like his teams he does a lot of impressive things which amount to nothing because in parallel with the good things he makes totally unacceptable blunders. Everything he achieved at the end of last season was wiped out by Wembley 2, Southampton and Burnley.

All the excellent work in the transfer window, and it WAS excellent work, has been blown away by inability to do the basics correctly. Simple stuff like team selection, sensible substitutions, fitness, player protection (Adama against Notts County), favouritism ( Gabby, Westwood),  stubbornness (blanking Libor Kozak) and compounding it all by cheeky chappie not-me-guv post match blather.

Having said all that I believe that the better way forward is to try to reform Sherwood not to sack him. All his faults are really one fault and that is his overblown ego. If Fox ( or God forbid Lerner)  sat Sherwood down in a locked room for an hour and spelled out to him basically that if he was to make the most of his once in a lifetime opportunity at Aston Villa he had to calm down and immediately end the mind set of personal infallibility. Sometimes it is better to repair something than throw it away. Having said that I am certain as it is possible to be that much of the turmoil we are enduring was caused by being too indecisivee about Lambert and he should have gone after the 0-15 Christmas massacre.  I would persevere with Sherwood on the grounds that it is the least bad alternative.

[PeterWithe]

It is not October and there is widespread clamour for the manager to be sacked.

Maybe worth pointing out that only a third of those taking part in the poll above want him sacked. I agree with the rest of your post, I think he's worth persevering with, he's bought himself a potentially good team, let's see what he can do with it.