It's not Sherwood!

[Villa in Denmark]

More from Tame Bullshit.

We can't score two away from home and lose - it happened against Leicester as well. You score twice at Anfield and you expect to leave with something. I've told the boys the goals were avoidable and we have to tighten up - Liverpool did not have to work too hard to get them, and we have to put that right.

So yet again, it was individual errors that cost us and not God awful (lack of)tactics that Lambert would have been embarrassed by.

You two faced, lying lump of bullshit.

he is right, but when it keeps happening you have to look at what is been done on the training pitch in terms of drills, organisation etc

we went to liverpool and basically parked the bus, yet let in 3 and probably have conceded a few more. almost like Tim thought of a way to approach the game but did no work with the players on how to actually implement it.

Pity it was an abject lesson in how to not try and park the bus.

I translated a post match nalysis from Martin Laudrup on the post match thread, where he pulls apart the 3 basic areas where he fucked up trying to park the bus. (Against a team with more than enough problems of their own, who he'd demolished not 4 months previously.)

When it's his tactics that are putting players in positions where mistakes are so costly he's got to take a good portion of the blame,  plus the training ground issues you point out.

Instead. "Nothing to do with me Guv"

Can't see him holding onto the dressing room for too long with that approach.

[Jimbo]

He's a megalomaniac getting by on a mixture of sheer self regard and utter bullshit. This could end terribly.

[silhillvilla]

How many years is his deal?

Just the 4.

[Percy McCarthy]

How many years is his deal?

Just the 4.

Fuck, not again.

[adrenachrome]

He's a megalomaniac getting by on a mixture of sheer self regard and utter bullshit. This could end terribly.

And from what I read when he was a candidate for the job, "independently wealthy" from his investments. I have to say that I don't know what the assertion that he is "thin skinned" is based on either. He has an ego which is larger than his mansion.

While Lerner is in charge, we are a club in what I called a few years ago "permanent transition".  We are stuck with Timmah. We have to hope he gets it right. Stranger things have happened.     

[OzVilla]

How many years is his deal?

Just the 4.

Fuck, not again.

Hire a young inexperienced manager whilst your mired in a relegation battle and give him a long contract. None of it made sense then and still doesn't now.

Yes he kept us up and that was great but I think the reaction he got from the players was more so just relief that he wasn't Lambert! As soon as he's had to stand on his own two feet he's looked hopeless.

[brontebilly]

Well, he started in the league by losing in the last minute to Stoke. What price it being his last?

My fear is they won't sack him for months yet

Granted Fox did give Lambert a new contract and gave Sherwood a four year deal but.....

I was very impressed by the speed our transfer dealing was done this summer, suggested things were far more professional at board level these days

Sherwood is the laughing stock of the league, week after week pundits are slating his tactics and David Brent style interviews

I think Timmy will do well to survive the next international break

[Malandro]

Forget today, sherwood has achieved mission impossible by keeping us up. I hope he gets a hefty bonus for doing so.
Just 12 weeks ago, I walked away from the hull ground into a bleak , cold, evening convinced we were as good as down.
We aren't and its all down to Tim Sherwood .

fickle, should I say

[pauliewalnuts]

Fox courted Sherwood over an extended period, beginning when Lambert was still in position. All that stuff about him driving down to see him a few times to talk him into taking the job (although I am not quite sure how we should have been having to talk someone with a career history of all of four or five months into being our manager) suggests that this was very much Fox's appointment.

Given that they left it dangerously long to get shot of Lambert, I wouldn't be expecting Sherwood to be leaving any time soon.

And that's why I think we are proper screwed.

[OzVilla]

I never wanted him as if feared this is exactly what might happen.  We needed experience and nous not another chancer.

They'll never learn and it'll cost them in the end.

[Toronto Villa]

Can we stop with the experience bit because it doesn't matter. We had experienced managers before Sherwood and it didn't make one bit of difference. We just finished with a manager who along with Rodgers at the time was 1A and 1B in terms up and coming talents in the game who had cut their teeth in the lower leagues to great effect. Yet one is gone and the other achieved a stay of execution today. If you are not smart and you are not a thinker in this game you'll be found out. And Sherwood is being found out. I'm up for giving anyone a chance and even allowing for mistakes, because every manager makes them. But the good ones learn and learn quickly. He isn't and he then compounds things with what he says after each game and before the next. The whole experience line is a crock of shit and a very convenient tag for him that means nothing at all.

[KRS]

Playing devils advocate...lets replace the word "Sherwood" with "Koeman", "Martinez" or "Monk", and they'd all inherited a Championship level squad that was destined to relegation last season; they also happen to lose their best 2 players but were allowed to spend the proceeds in the summer transfer market; they sign 12 players in the summer in the knowledge that they need time to bed in; a few of the best players in the squad get injured so they are also unable to select a settled team, pick their best starting XI or develop a way of playing with the new players brought in; even though the young talented players show potential, the results haven't gone their way largely due to conceding poor goals due to individual mistakes.

Would we be calling for Koeman, Martinez or Monk to be sacked...or would they rightly be given the opportunity and support to get the players settled, and time to develop a style of play, formation and tactics?

[Toronto Villa]

People go on about net spend, but I'd like to see what the net spend of Koeman or Monk or Martinez is. I bet it's not much. And Koeman came into a club that had fired a manager and been stripped of its primary assets, and did so again to some extent this summer. He's just not stupid when he approaches the game. And Garry Monk has hardly been lashing around the cash at Swansea yet he astutely used his available resources wisely and sets up his teams to win games first. I love how he approaches every game.

[PeterWithesShin]

It was easier for those two though as they just had to carry on what had been going for years at those clubs. Every time we get a new manager we are starting from scratch. We have zero continuity in footballing style etc.

[Toronto Villa]

It was easier for those two though as they just had to carry on what had been going for years at those clubs. Every time we get a new manager we are starting from scratch. We have zero continuity in footballing style etc.

Sure, but lets not make "just carrying on" sound a piece of piss. Every manager still has something that makes them unique and they were smart enough to know what works and what doesn't and bring in players to carry on with the things that work. Not denying that our hiring practices have been to put it mildly utterly fucking bizarre at times, but I just think those managers have been smart enough to make things work, add to it and sustain it.