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Online oldhill_avfc

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #3105 on: June 05, 2015, 11:50:03 AM »
I'm getting a bit peeved by reading the posters who're critical of Sherwood based on their perceptions rather any evidence.   It seems to me that you just can't please some people. 

I'll admit that as a relatively inexperienced manager there has to be some doubts as to his long term abilities, but the evidence of the his tenure so far is that he has done very little wrong. 

He got us scoring goals and that kept us up.  We won a few and lost a few but overall we got more points than we would have with the same players under Lambert.  OK he got cautious in the cup final and things turned out badly, but how much in reality was he to blame for the overall result? 

Looking to the furture again he seems to have the right approach - there is so much deadwood in the squad that has conclusively proved itself to be not good enough and therefore needs to be got rid of.  If we don't ship them out then we'll get the same results.

I don't see the reasons for negativity.  Everyone wanted Fox to 'toss the coin' and that's what we've got.  I can't see how we can be any worse than the last few years unless there is no funding whatsoever, and if that is the case then no manager on earth would be a success.


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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #3106 on: June 05, 2015, 11:50:51 AM »
There's no doubt Sherwood has delivered on his remit for the season by keeping us up and on top of that he took us to a cup final too. There's no complaints from me on his work to date.

However, some of his behaviour/comments recently when the chips have been a little bit down has certain echoes of the Paulo Di Canios or dare I say it the Roy Keanes of this world. While I agree with a lot of what he says, he needs to be careful he doesn't alienate the dressing room in the same way the other two did. For all Pearson's faults in the way he dealt with the press last season, he didn't have one cross word to say about his players. Tim needs to find the right balance.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #3107 on: June 05, 2015, 11:52:56 AM »
There's no doubt Sherwood has delivered on his remit for the season by keeping us up and on top of that he took us to a cup final too. There's no complaints from me on his work to date.

However, some of his behaviour/comments recently when the chips have been a little bit down has certain echoes of the Paulo Di Canios or dare I say it the Roy Keanes of this world. While I agree with a lot of what he says, he needs to be careful he doesn't alienate the dressing room in the same way the other two did. For all Pearson's faults in the way he dealt with the press last season, he didn't have one cross word to say about his players. Tim needs to find the right balance.

I'd be a bit more worried if it was his dressing room. He's inherited a lot of players he clearly doesn't want and he's had to get something out of them short-term while at the same time planning for the future. 

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #3108 on: June 05, 2015, 12:14:44 PM »
This Sherwood and his lack of experience thing reminds me of when I was a young man and trying to change careers.  Everywhere I went I was told 'sorry son, you've got no experience'.  I thought then, as I do now, how the hell am I going to gain experience if no one is prepared to give me a chance?

We, the Villa have given Tim Sherwood that chance, let's see what he does with it.  We can do no more.  I would add the proviso that if he ends up going down the Lambert route then, we don't wait as long to get rid.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #3109 on: June 05, 2015, 12:23:40 PM »
I think he is totally right to want to get rid of also rans and players that aren't good enough for us.  The timing of it all coming out might have been debatable but it is better than Lambert continually defending some of them who simply aren't up to it.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #3110 on: June 05, 2015, 12:25:56 PM »
There's no doubt Sherwood has delivered on his remit for the season by keeping us up and on top of that he took us to a cup final too. There's no complaints from me on his work to date.

However, some of his behaviour/comments recently when the chips have been a little bit down has certain echoes of the Paulo Di Canios or dare I say it the Roy Keanes of this world. While I agree with a lot of what he says, he needs to be careful he doesn't alienate the dressing room in the same way the other two did. For all Pearson's faults in the way he dealt with the press last season, he didn't have one cross word to say about his players. Tim needs to find the right balance.

I'd be a bit more worried if it was his dressing room. He's inherited a lot of players he clearly doesn't want and he's had to get something out of them short-term while at the same time planning for the future. 

There's no point worrying too much about this season, in any case.

It was a disaster from the off, and to have not got relegated after becoming a national joke on our failure to score goals is an unexpected perk.

He's just got to get it as right as he can from now on, and more importantly, the chairman has to put him in a position to do so by providing the cash.

We can't have another 9m net spend summer.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #3111 on: June 05, 2015, 12:52:35 PM »
Agreed. I think there will be four or five championship clubs that spend that.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #3112 on: June 05, 2015, 01:02:48 PM »
This Sherwood and his lack of experience thing reminds me of when I was a young man and trying to change careers.  Everywhere I went I was told 'sorry son, you've got no experience'.  I thought then, as I do now, how the hell am I going to gain experience if no one is prepared to give me a chance?

We, the Villa have given Tim Sherwood that chance, let's see what he does with it.  We can do no more.  I would add the proviso that if he ends up going down the Lambert route then, we don't wait as long to get rid.

If he wanted experience, why didn't he start in the lower leagues? Sherwood seems to be your typical ex player who thinks he has a right to a job he isn't qualified for.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #3113 on: June 05, 2015, 01:10:00 PM »

If he wanted experience, why didn't he start in the lower leagues? Sherwood seems to be your typical ex player who thinks he has a right to a job he isn't qualified for.
What total bollox.
He served his apprenticeship at Spuds before being offered a first team management job at the same place.
There is no one-approach-has-to-fit-all. I happen to believe in the lower-leagues and grassroots environment (I ref in the latter) but it is not necesarily a must-have experience for people aspiring to operate at the top tier.
Let's judge him on the performance of his team - next season and the one thereafter.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #3114 on: June 05, 2015, 01:17:44 PM »
He also got us playing some cracking football in some games. When it is his team and squad we can judge but he has done more than I thought he would do far.

Based on the 13 games in the leagur we would be over 45 points next season too. Which would at least be moving forward.  10 more points than this season should be his major target to consolidate
« Last Edit: June 05, 2015, 01:19:33 PM by ozzjim »

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #3115 on: June 05, 2015, 01:35:09 PM »
I think he's a Harry Redknapp type of motivator manager with very little intelligence or tactical acumen. We are blinded in to thinking he's good just because of how bad it got under Lambert. Once Benteke and Vlaar leave in the summer I fear next season its our turn to go down.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #3116 on: June 05, 2015, 01:41:40 PM »
This Sherwood and his lack of experience thing reminds me of when I was a young man and trying to change careers.  Everywhere I went I was told 'sorry son, you've got no experience'.  I thought then, as I do now, how the hell am I going to gain experience if no one is prepared to give me a chance?

We, the Villa have given Tim Sherwood that chance, let's see what he does with it.  We can do no more.  I would add the proviso that if he ends up going down the Lambert route then, we don't wait as long to get rid.

If he wanted experience, why didn't he start in the lower leagues? Sherwood seems to be your typical ex player who thinks he has a right to a job he isn't qualified for.

"No, I don't want to be Villa manager yet, thank you. I'd rather start off at Scunthorpe."

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #3117 on: June 05, 2015, 01:45:14 PM »
This Sherwood and his lack of experience thing reminds me of when I was a young man and trying to change careers.  Everywhere I went I was told 'sorry son, you've got no experience'.  I thought then, as I do now, how the hell am I going to gain experience if no one is prepared to give me a chance?

We, the Villa have given Tim Sherwood that chance, let's see what he does with it.  We can do no more.  I would add the proviso that if he ends up going down the Lambert route then, we don't wait as long to get rid.

If he wanted experience, why didn't he start in the lower leagues? Sherwood seems to be your typical ex player who thinks he has a right to a job he isn't qualified for.

"No, I don't want to be Villa manager yet, thank you. I'd rather start off at Scunthorpe."


The state we were in when he was offered the job he could have been forgiven for choosing to go to Scunthorpe.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #3118 on: June 05, 2015, 01:47:41 PM »
I think he's a Harry Redknapp type of motivator manager with very little intelligence or tactical acumen. We are blinded in to thinking he's good just because of how bad it got under Lambert. Once Benteke and Vlaar leave in the summer I fear next season its our turn to go down.

You might be right but it is a quick conclusion from two not quite half seasons with other managers' players

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #3119 on: June 05, 2015, 01:52:29 PM »
I think he's a Harry Redknapp type of motivator manager with very little intelligence or tactical acumen. We are blinded in to thinking he's good just because of how bad it got under Lambert. Once Benteke and Vlaar leave in the summer I fear next season its our turn to go down.

You might be right but it is a quick conclusion from two not quite half seasons with other managers' players

That's really part of the point, surely a club of our size should have a manager with a more reliable track record. Using Villa to cut his teeth is an extremely high risk policy.

 


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