It's not Sherwood!

[Richard E]

I think it'll still all end in tears and recriminations, but I can't see there being that many tears and that many recriminations that quickly.

Isn't that pretty much every manager, ever?

As Enoch Powell said, all football managers' careers end in failure unless they are cut short.

[Richard E]

One thing I do know, if Randy doesn't back him in the transfer market - significantly - then we are not going to improve much next season.

I think it is worse than that, I think if he doesn't back him we will go down.

[Toronto Villa]

One thing I do know, if Randy doesn't back him in the transfer market - significantly - then we are not going to improve much next season.

I think it is worse than that, I think if he doesn't back him we will go down.

It's one week after the season ended and the manager is on holiday. As things stand we aren't in a great spot. But it's a summer where there will be a lot of change. I am lot more confident this summer than last with Fox and Sherwood vs Lambert and Faulkner. I know Randy is at the top still but the club are also in a better financial position. And I still point to the fact that despite being for sale the club sanctioned a lot of new staff arriving under Sherwood so they have made a commitment to him already. It would the height of foolishness not to now back him in the window to push on again. Something I don't think we'll do.

I know things appear bleak at times and it sometimes feels nobody will join us. But detaching the emotion which players won't really have in making a decision to play for us or not, we are still a PL football club. And that for a lot of players is very important. We will make signings and players will leave. Lots of interesting things to come in the next few weeks.

[dave shelley]

I think we all saw how the end of this past season panned out.  We were on a good run but, could not shake off the clubs below us.  The kind of run we had should have seen us well clear but it didn't. 

My thoughts are that the league is, ostensibly getting stronger, notwithstanding what the promoted teams do.  Last season showed that we cannot rely on three teams being shittier than we are.  There seemed to me to be a lot of chickens hatching scenario regarding ours and other clubs final few weeks fixtures.  It nearly didn't work out that way.

Every one of us are well aware that heavy investment is required just to bring our club  up to achieve a top half placing.  Whether we get it or not remains to be seen.  I firmly believe Randy Lerner does not want to see us relegated but, as has been said many times, without that kind of investment, relegation is almost inevitable.

[pauliewalnuts]

One thing I do know, if Randy doesn't back him in the transfer market - significantly - then we are not going to improve much next season.

I think it is worse than that, I think if he doesn't back him we will go down.

It's one week after the season ended and the manager is on holiday. As things stand we aren't in a great spot. But it's a summer where there will be a lot of change. I am lot more confident this summer than last with Fox and Sherwood vs Lambert and Faulkner. I know Randy is at the top still but the club are also in a better financial position. And I still point to the fact that despite being for sale the club sanctioned a lot of new staff arriving under Sherwood so they have made a commitment to him already. It would the height of foolishness not to now back him in the window to push on again. Something I don't think we'll do.

I know things appear bleak at times and it sometimes feels nobody will join us. But detaching the emotion which players won't really have in making a decision to play for us or not, we are still a PL football club. And that for a lot of players is very important. We will make signings and players will leave. Lots of interesting things to come in the next few weeks.

It's not about players not wanting to join us, though.

It's about the chairman needing to give the manager money to spend. Something he hasn't done enough of in latter years. We've just finished 17th, which is as bad as it can get without you-know-what happening.

It would be a singularly stupid thing to do not to provide significant money for the manager to spend, but if anyone is stupid enough to not do that, it's our detached, want-away chairman.

[Axl Rose]

Blimey, two posts in two days by me 

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I wasn't calling for Tim's P45 btw ~ ~ I was trying to structure a debate beyond the blind obsession we have when things go well, that puts blinkers on us.

When Paul arrived, everything was brilliant, everyone loved him. We didn't do much initially, but He Wasn't AM, so although close season, the "New Manager Bounce" was not pronounced.

But he wasn't AM, and we were 100% behind him.

Tim did get the "new-manager-bounce".

It does work, but the "new manager" plateaus out imo.
Pardew and Pulis for example. Ramsay as the opposite at QPR.

Advocaat at Sunderland. All mid-season changes.

A new broom in the main gets an extra percentage from his players, but it never lasts.

Players go back into their comfort zone, once they have a reckoning of the new man, imo.

Tim reached his plateau 6 games ago. Since then we have slipped and slided backwards.
He hasn't the wherewithal to recognise that, change it or even realise the weakness of other teams.

PRIOR to the Final, he gave a "heads-up" to his bomb list.{Pressie before Final}
Tim being considerate and emphatic with his players. Even told the media how "considerate" a boss he was.

Mis-management and naivety Big Time.

So, I don't think any new owner will keep Tim on.
And there are lots of top class managers that a new owner could choose from, that we deserve !
New owner, new money.

Tim's time with us is realistically shorter rather than longer ~ imo.
He doesn't adapt on-the-hoof, he doesn't sub with creativity, he doesn't think before he speaks.
Christian to Real in a year if he was managed by Tim ...what nonsense.

I don't know what level or what league, Tim would be ideal at...but I do know and believe that we are not his true home.

And I say this before TF allows too much money to be spent by a manager who believes in himself 101% ~~~ but in his players ...50% ?

there was a bloke on the train on the way back from Wembley wanting to get rid of Sherwood, when he'd finished his ranting he was asked who he thought could replace him,
 his answer was 'he didn't make those decisions, it was someones elses job at the club to pick wisely'
in other words he didn't have a fucking clue

you say theres lots of top class managers to choose from, well who are they then, and would they would come to Aston Villa who just finished 4th from bottom.

we would be playing our football in the Championship league next year if it wasn't for Sherwood
and your on here moaning about him
 

The guy on the train sounds like a complete testicle.

I like Sherwood and believe he's done an excellent job so far with a group of largely rubbish players.

Good luck to him this summer. I'm looking forward to seeing who he buys and how he shapes a team.

[SamTheMouse]

Sherwood has done us a massive favour by keeping us up, and although I'm still a bit sceptical about him, it's far too early to pass any definitive judgment.

It's not the manager's position that worries me at the moment though - it's the owner's.

[andrew08]

He kept us up so the Lambert decision was justified (not that it had to be but the 'coin toss' was called correctly). The ownership of the club is a bigger deal than who is the Manager at the moment. If we spend only £9 million again this year we will without a doubt go down.

[Tokyo Sexwhale]

Sherwood's tactics and general approach always meant we were going to have a rollercoaster ride - he went out to win, but left us open to lose more games. 

His record at Villa and Spurs so far contains very few draws.

I'd say that approach was exactly what we needed to avoid relegation, but I'm not sure it will work over the course of a season.  There are games where we have to try to park the bus and sneak a point, or counter attack to a 1-0 win.

[Dave]

I think it'll still all end in tears and recriminations, but I can't see there being that many tears and that many recriminations that quickly.

Isn't that pretty much every manager, ever?

Well yes. Exactly as I say eight posts above your one.

[Toronto Villa]

One thing I do know, if Randy doesn't back him in the transfer market - significantly - then we are not going to improve much next season.

I think it is worse than that, I think if he doesn't back him we will go down.

It's one week after the season ended and the manager is on holiday. As things stand we aren't in a great spot. But it's a summer where there will be a lot of change. I am lot more confident this summer than last with Fox and Sherwood vs Lambert and Faulkner. I know Randy is at the top still but the club are also in a better financial position. And I still point to the fact that despite being for sale the club sanctioned a lot of new staff arriving under Sherwood so they have made a commitment to him already. It would the height of foolishness not to now back him in the window to push on again. Something I don't think we'll do.

I know things appear bleak at times and it sometimes feels nobody will join us. But detaching the emotion which players won't really have in making a decision to play for us or not, we are still a PL football club. And that for a lot of players is very important. We will make signings and players will leave. Lots of interesting things to come in the next few weeks.

It's not about players not wanting to join us, though.

It's about the chairman needing to give the manager money to spend. Something he hasn't done enough of in latter years. We've just finished 17th, which is as bad as it can get without you-know-what happening.

It would be a singularly stupid thing to do not to provide significant money for the manager to spend, but if anyone is stupid enough to not do that, it's our detached, want-away chairman.

Maybe, or maybe the situation financially at the club has improved enough for the support to change. We won't know until the market kicks off properly. The manager said he had a long list. We'll see soon enough if that list is a bunch of Bennett's, Tonev's and Cole's.

[CT Villan]

Lambert after several losses..."we go again" and nothing changes.
Sherwood after several losses...pissed off and apparently wants to axe significant numbers of players and replace them with better quality.

How successful he is remains to be seen, but I'd rather have someone that cares passionately than Lambert's apathy.

[Villafirst]

My worry is we'll  soon be without Cleverley, Vlaar, Benteke and Gil. That's a lot of talent to replace just to be at the point we're at now (17th). So to improve we need to equal what's going out already then add more which means spending over £40 million. Can you see Lerner investing that amount?

[supertom]

My worry is we'll  soon be without Cleverley, Vlaar, Benteke and Gil. That's a lot of talent to replace just to be at the point we're at now (17th). So to improve we need to equal what's going out already then add more which means spending over £40 million. Can you see Lerner investing that amount?

If we sell Benteke I would really hope so. Lerner has to put it all back into the transfer kitty. And with the TV money a further 20 mill regardless of what happens with Benteke should not be beyond us. It's all on Fox now. Randy is not involving himself anymore so I home Fox can work out a realistic, yet competitive budget.

[Jon Crofts]

I'd like to think that before spouting off about telling players to find another club, Tim would have checked in with Mr Burns to ensure he had funds available to clear out the dross Lambert lumbered us with.  Tell me I'm right.