It's not Sherwood!

[pauliewalnuts]

It's not that they're not fit enough to play the way you want you brain-dead chancer, it's that nobody has a clue what that way is, other than it being shit.

And that is why we are in such trouble with this bloke.

The problem isn't that we're not fit enough, it goes much deeper beneath the surface than that.

[SoccerHQ]

If you look to Europe I thnink Lucien Favre is probably the best and most realistic bet for us....well unless Bielsa camps outside the North Stand watching the job.

He actually took over Monchengladbach in 2011 when they were about 6-7 points off safety and bottom. They stayed up on a relegation play off and next season they finished in top 3 and qualified for CL.

Last season again they finished in CL although of course bad start to the season so he quit but there was talk of him being Bayern Munich's next manager when Guardiola left.

Being Swiss I imagine he was a command of English so from anyone abroad I think he's worth looking at.

[PeterWithe]

The answer is to get the players proper jobs as well as their part time occupation with Villa, think how much fitter say, Westwood would be if he had forty hours working in a chip shop under his belt as well. I wonder why no one has thought of it before.

[Risso]

The answer is to get the players proper jobs as well as their part time occupation with Villa, think how much fitter say, Westwood would be if he had forty hours working in a chip shop under his belt as well. I wonder why no one has thought of it before.

I wouldn't trust him to get the chips in the fryer properly.

[pauliewalnuts]

The answer is to get the players proper jobs as well as their part time occupation with Villa, think how much fitter say, Westwood would be if he had forty hours working in a chip shop under his belt as well. I wonder why no one has thought of it before.

"Sanchez is dead on his feet after 30 minutes"
"Well, he's been on nights at the Land Rover this week"

[rob_bridge]

If you look to Europe I thnink Lucien Favre is probably the best and most realistic bet for us....well unless Bielsa camps outside the North Stand watching the job.

He actually took over Monchengladbach in 2011 when they were about 6-7 points off safety and bottom. They stayed up on a relegation play off and next season they finished in top 3 and qualified for CL.

Last season again they finished in CL although of course bad start to the season so he quit but there was talk of him being Bayern Munich's next manager when Guardiola left.

Being Swiss I imagine he was a command of English so from anyone abroad I think he's worth looking at.

 No Premier League experience though. Seems to be a pre requisite according to our board. Maybe we can get Sammy Lee or Chris Hutchings

[PeterWithe]

'I couldn't get down tonight Tom, had to cover Rudi Gestede's shift at TopShop'

[silhillvilla]

The answer is to get the players proper jobs as well as their part time occupation with Villa, think how much fitter say, Westwood would be if he had forty hours working in a chip shop under his belt as well. I wonder why no one has thought of it before.

Guzan would fit in well at the Royal Mail. Awful distribution .

[claret and blue blood]

Hutton would fit in well with Asda online shopping-poor delivery.

[Rico]

Things won't change until we get a new owner. Imagine that you are one of the top European managers,  would you come to a club that is effectively leaderless?

One of my very first posts on this site a good few years ago was that Aston Villa need to look to lessons from the past to move forward. What I mean by this is that outside of the Midlands Aston Villa are viewed as an irrelevance in the greater scheme of things,  however,  unless you have lived in Birmingham for any length of time you truly don't know how big Aston Villa are. I grew up and lived most of my life in Erdington,  started going to the Villa as a kid in the late 70s when the Bendals owned the club, and Ron Saunders managed the club. I didn't know anyone who supported anyone else but Villa. However, I have lived in Lancashire now for quite some time and obviously the media is City, Utd or Liverpool biased, and when I talk to proper football fans of a certain age most remember the great Villa teams of the late 70s and early 80s, but now we are looked on a bit like how people once looked upon Man City. Big club, shame about the team. Probably going to get relegated in the not too distant future.

So once again Villa look for a new manager. None of the top managers will touch the club with a barge pole because of the lack of leadership from the top, because the stench of failure has been hanging around for years and maybe, although I can only speculate on this, we don't pay what the top men want. So we go along the tired, and totally hapless routine of the up and coming manager. This is where someone in charge should take a look at the history books starting from about 1983.

Graham Turner: disaster. You don't sack the manager who has won the European Cup and replace him with the manager of Shrewsbury Town. That is pure vanity on behalf of the owner.

Billy McNeil: disaster. Your team's in the shit, you sack one clueless manager and replace him with another who has just been sacked from his previous job for being shit!

Inevitably the club gets relegated and the owner finally realises that his vanity has well and truly screwed things up and does what he should have done in the first place. Hence the next appointment. Graham Taylor. Experienced. No nonsense.

Unfortunately for us Graham Taylor does a spectacularly good job and gets the England spot. Cue more vanity from Mr Ellis. Graham recommends Ron Atkinson, Mr Ellis appoints Josef Venglos. No experience of managing an English club hence the meltdown that occurred that ended in a brush with relegation.

Owner realises that he's cocked up again, does the right thing and apooints Big Ron. Everyone's happy. ( For a few years at least)

Ellis and Big Ron part company and Ellis decides to act like the owner of a top club. Identifies manager, says to smaller club we want your manager and we're not taking no for an answer and cue the arrival of Brian Little. Everyone's happy again, for a few more years.

For brevity I'll skip the Gregory,  Taylor, O'Leary years, but you should be getting the ooint. The success of a top football club comes from the leadership from the very top. When Randy Lerner was actually interested in Aston Villa we looked set to break into the top four.

skip to today,  the club ultimately has no leadership from the man who matters. Until tgat changes we are screwed. For Tim Sherwood read Graham Turner, Billy McNeil, Josef Venglos, Alex Mcleish and Paul Lambert. They come to the club with good intentions.  Walk into the club and are instantly out of their depth.

My point about living away from Brum now is that unless you have lived Aston Villa you just don't get Aston Villa.

No more up and coming managers please. Yes to more Saunders, Taylors and Atkinsons. We need a battle hardened coach/manager. Who that is I don't know,  but until Randy Lerner either sells up or leaves we are relegation fodder.

Utv

[SamTheMouse]

The answer is to get the players proper jobs as well as their part time occupation with Villa, think how much fitter say, Westwood would be if he had forty hours working in a chip shop under his belt as well. I wonder why no one has thought of it before.

Guzan would fit in well at the Royal Mail. Awful distribution .

Westwood would fit in well at Matalan. He's utterly shite.

[levico]

Things won't change until we get a new owner. Imagine that you are one of the top European managers,  would you come to a club that is effectively leaderless?

One of my very first posts on this site a good few years ago was that Aston Villa need to look to lessons from the past to move forward. What I mean by this is that outside of the Midlands Aston Villa are viewed as an irrelevance in the greater scheme of things,  however,  unless you have lived in Birmingham for any length of time you truly don't know how big Aston Villa are. I grew up and lived most of my life in Erdington,  started going to the Villa as a kid in the late 70s when the Bendals owned the club, and Ron Saunders managed the club. I didn't know anyone who supported anyone else but Villa. However, I have lived in Lancashire now for quite some time and obviously the media is City, Utd or Liverpool biased, and when I talk to proper football fans of a certain age most remember the great Villa teams of the late 70s and early 80s, but now we are looked on a bit like how people once looked upon Man City. Big club, shame about the team. Probably going to get relegated in the not too distant future.

So once again Villa look for a new manager. None of the top managers will touch the club with a barge pole because of the lack of leadership from the top, because the stench of failure has been hanging around for years and maybe, although I can only speculate on this, we don't pay what the top men want. So we go along the tired, and totally hapless routine of the up and coming manager. This is where someone in charge should take a look at the history books starting from about 1983.

Graham Turner: disaster. You don't sack the manager who has won the European Cup and replace him with the manager of Shrewsbury Town. That is pure vanity on behalf of the owner.

Billy McNeil: disaster. Your team's in the shit, you sack one clueless manager and replace him with another who has just been sacked from his previous job for being shit!

Inevitably the club gets relegated and the owner finally realises that his vanity has well and truly screwed things up and does what he should have done in the first place. Hence the next appointment. Graham Taylor. Experienced. No nonsense.

Unfortunately for us Graham Taylor does a spectacularly good job and gets the England spot. Cue more vanity from Mr Ellis. Graham recommends Ron Atkinson, Mr Ellis appoints Josef Venglos. No experience of managing an English club hence the meltdown that occurred that ended in a brush with relegation.

Owner realises that he's cocked up again, does the right thing and apooints Big Ron. Everyone's happy. ( For a few years at least)

Ellis and Big Ron part company and Ellis decides to act like the owner of a top club. Identifies manager, says to smaller club we want your manager and we're not taking no for an answer and cue the arrival of Brian Little. Everyone's happy again, for a few more years.

For brevity I'll skip the Gregory,  Taylor, O'Leary years, but you should be getting the ooint. The success of a top football club comes from the leadership from the very top. When Randy Lerner was actually interested in Aston Villa we looked set to break into the top four.

skip to today,  the club ultimately has no leadership from the man who matters. Until tgat changes we are screwed. For Tim Sherwood read Graham Turner, Billy McNeil, Josef Venglos, Alex Mcleish and Paul Lambert. They come to the club with good intentions.  Walk into the club and are instantly out of their depth.

My point about living away from Brum now is that unless you have lived Aston Villa you just don't get Aston Villa.

No more up and coming managers please. Yes to more Saunders, Taylors and Atkinsons. We need a battle hardened coach/manager. Who that is I don't know,  but until Randy Lerner either sells up or leaves we are relegation fodder.

Utv

Wouldn't disagree with any of that. The only thing I would add is that I believe that history will show that Sherwood is the worst of the lot. He seems to be set up to fail big time. I also believe that Lerner will not respond even if we get relegated - I just don't think we are on his radar any more.

[Walmley_Villa]

Who at Watford searches out their managers as they have had a few decent one recently. The Boro manager (former Real Madrid player) hasa lot of potential.

[walsall villain]

Who at Watford searches out their managers as they have had a few decent one recently. The Boro manager (former Real Madrid player) hasa lot of potential.

Not sure we are the club for that route. We need an experienced head who won't lose his way under the pressure of the fans and the media.

[Dave]

Who at Watford searches out their managers as they have had a few decent one recently. The Boro manager (former Real Madrid player) hasa lot of potential.

Far from a flawless source, but apparently we had the chance to appoint Flores when we decided that McLeish would be a better option.

...a friend said: "Quique was very optimistic about achieving his targets and felt he was extremely confident of attracting top La Liga stars to join him at Villa."

Those players could have included rejuvenated former Arsenal striker Jose Antonio Reyes, who revelled under Sanchez Flores at both Benfica and Atletico.

Despite Sanchez Flores' interest and his reputation as a persuasive and intelligent technical coach, Villa owner Randy Lerner switched targets to McLeish, sparking a hugely negative response among the Villa supporters.

Sanchez Flores is still prepared to listen if fan power forces Villa to come calling again.

The friend added: "Quique wants the job and wants to come to England.

"He feels that he and Pako would make a really good team at a club with great potential and is not fussed about where he will have been on their initial preference list."